> -----Original Message----- > From: Dinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 7:36 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: New MacBook Pro 15! > > On 3/23/07, Jim D wrote: > .... > > On everything, no - of course not. But blind, ignorant extremism in > any > > form just plain pisses me off. I'll gladly study up to fight it > where I > > find it - especially when I know something about the topic at hand. > > > > And, just so we're clear: what you think doesn't enter into it.
> You're biased, Jim! Not nearly as bad as Nick, but still. We all are. ;^) I'm mostly biased against extremism honestly. I would leap as adamantly to the defense of the Mac against a person that said they have nothing to offer. My own opinions are actually pretty centrist: I prefer my PC and I won't personally buy a Mac. But I would never suggest that anybody don't. They're fine machines. I just REALLY hate when my personal opinion about something so very simple is trashed so ignorantly. > The benchmarking links were all bad :-/ but I thought it was funny > that the entry from OSx86 re: 10.5 says "Note: requires a real mac" > > How does my argument of "same hardware, better testing" do? > > What did my argument of "a set configuration makes a difference" do? > E.g. Dave's link about DVD drives? > > Are you really going to type with a straight face that knowing the > target doesn't make for a more optimized delivery/execution? Never! But remember what we were arguing (we keep missing that here!): all we are arguing is that you can indeed install Mac OX X on commodity PC hardware and that it will work well enough to both understand the OS and form a reasonable opinion of it. The benchmarks show that Mac OS runs respectably on no Apple hardware. No "best", not "incredibly" but definitely well enough to form an opinion. > I think Dave's point, that it's "not the same" has some merit. Even > from a "but it's all the same basic parts" standpoint. It does if you're arguing how you _should_ run OS X, I agree completely. Real Apple hardware means no compatibility issues and real Apple support. But to say (as he did) that you unable to form a respectable opinion of OS X by running it on a generic box is just plain wrong. > I'm one of those brave souls who tried to put OSX on a PC. > > Only wanked for a bit on it, cuz that was real fun, and I have work > to do... :-) but anyways, it's not like installing BSD on an x86 ;-) No - of course not - this is exactly the answer I've given Dave four times now as he screams: "If it works so well why isn't everybody doing it!" It works - but it's a big pain in the ass to get running. However once (if!) you get it running it's a reasonable platform. > I think the point that Dave is getting at is that it's a different > experience/world, on the Mac side. One that many people > find to be "better" than the equiv PC experience. I know if > I had to choose between Vista and OS X, I'd go OS X. I'll never argue against that. Mac is, definitely, without a doubt, cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die better for some people. But not for everybody. Dave is of the opinion that NOBODY who "really knows" could possibly choose Windows over a Mac. That's just plain zealotry and more than a little insulting. > Course, if I had to choose between vista and linux, I'd go > linux. That's what's going on *this* bad boy I'm typing on, > whenever I get around to the next wipe. Hell, maybe I'll > try installing OS X... Should be a snap by now, neh? ;-) No - it's still a pain in the ass. ;^) > Thus, I "like" Apple better than Microsoft. As Jim "likes" > Microsoft better than Apple. That's all I want! And admission that is possible! ;^) > Eh. Yeah, I think time will evolve both, and we'll see > what happens, but I wanna give props to Apple and > OS X-- It truly was innovative, and pretty swell. > > How many years did it take for Vista to get here? > Where is my DB driven file system?!?!? ;-) Well - there are definitely benefits in development time to tyrannically controlling your hardware. ;^) But, as it always is, a game of leap frog. MS is doing amazing things in some areas, Apple in some and in others they're competing directly with one or the other getting the upper hand then losing it and so forth. They're both at the tops of their games, both well worth watching (and emulating). To ignore either one for what amounts to religious reasons means that you're missing out a lot. Jim Davis ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Deploy Web Applications Quickly across the enterprise with ColdFusion MX7 & Flex 2 Free Trial http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:231273 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
