Like Harry, you should do little research before you speak. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
Jesse Adam Macbeth (b. Jesse Adam Al-Zaid,[1] in 1984) is a civilian anti-war protester who falsely claimed to be an Army Ranger and veteran of the Iraq War. He lied in alternative media interviews that he and his unit routinely committed war crimes in Iraq. [2][3] Transcripts of the video were made in English and Arabic.[4] According to the U.S. Army, there is no record of Macbeth being a Ranger,[5][6] or serving in a combat unit: he was discharged from the service after having been declared unfit or unsuitable for the Army, or both,[7] before he could complete basic training.[8] After his release from the Army in 2004, Macbeth purported himself to be a veteran, telling war stories and garnering attention from mainstream,[9] alternative[10] and student media outlets. He joined Iraq Veterans Against the War in January of 2006,[11] and represented, or was scheduled to represent them publicly at various events throughout the country;[12][13][14] the organization has since said it does not endorse Macbeth or his accounts of military service.[11] Accounts in Macbeth's name appear on Military.com and Myspace.com, and both were used to post claims about military service in Iraq.[15] On September 21, 2007 Macbeth admitted in federal court that he had faked his war record. U.S. Attorney Jeffrey Sullivan declared that Macbeth had been in the Army for just 44 days and had been kicked out as unfit.[16] On 10/14/07, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh I am sure there are. I am not disputing that at all; there were > several cited in your links. > > But Rush is saying that the only people who are ever critical of the > war or administration are phony soldiers. And it seems to me that so > far we have one member of Veterans for Peace who did in fact sign up, > but was kicked out out after six weeks. In any case, imho if you at > least are wiling to go you are less a phony soldier than a pompous ass > who dodged service over a pimple. > > And the people in my links are real soldiers or families of soldiers > as far as I know. I think that the head of the New Mexico National > Guard qualifies as a real soldier. I think that anyone who served in > Iraq (or Afghanistan) is most likely a real soldier. > > I think that Rush would be beyond contemptible if he claimed otherwise > if he been himself, and is utter slime for making the statement, given > his service record. > > > On 10/14/07, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are others. I subscribe to the Army Times and a couple of months ago > > there were stories about phony soldiers, and soldiers who never stepped foot > > in theater but wore the medals to show they did and passed themselves off as > > heroes. > > This has been happening since Vietnam and probably even further back, I am > > not sure. I know for a fact though that this has been happening since > > Vietnam. In fact, there is a US Senator who tried passing himself off as a > > war hero flying combat sorties in Vietnam, but when someone started doing a > > little digging, he suddenly changed course and admitted that he was never > > there. His name is Senator Harkin. > > The FBI has a taskforce whose sole purpose is to dig up these posers, > > losers, idiots, whatever you want to call them, and prosecute them (this is > > a federal offense, just like if I put on officers rank and passed my self > > off as an officer instead of what I really am, which is an NCO.) > > > > I am sure this will happen in future wars. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 5:17 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: while I am here > > > > I'll take a closer look at these later but a fast once over gives me > > this -- that third link is talking about the 44-day dude. He is also > > front and center in the first one, but of the various other cases > > cited there, none made political statements; all were simply > > self-aggrandizing. Ditto all the people in your second link, which > > actually characterizes them as losers with poor self-esteem. > > > > I still think though, that even someone who never got further than > > stateside or Okinawa at least signed up, as opposed to claiming a > > pimple on the ass.... > > > > But oh let's say these women: > > > > http://www.alibi.com/index.php?story=12550&scn=news > > > > Are they phony Blue Star mothers? > > > > What about this guy: > > > > http://www.alibi.com/index.php?story=8301&scn=news > > > > Is he a phony soldier? > > > > The people this story mentions: > > > > http://www.alibi.com/index.php?story=10575&scn=feature > > > > http://www.alibi.com/index.php?story=11060&scn=news > > > > http://www.alibi.com/index.php?story=10661&scn=news > > > > are they phony soldiers too? Geez. I didn't even find the story I was > > looking for about National Guardmen (in Iraq) being force to strip to > > prove they didn't have gang tattoos. > > > > I think the people who worry about Jesse what's his name are doing > > exactly what the bushies want -- keeping their mind occupied with > > other things than the central question: what exactly is all of this > > supposed to be in aid of. What is this very heavy price being paid > > for? > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:244254 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
