On Jan 3, 2008 12:32 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How so?
> >
> > Even if He does have a purpose for you, and is watching you, can't you
> > always choose to tell him to take his purpose and shove it?
>
> And wouldn't that, from a believer's point of view, *also* be included
> in the preordained?
>
> Here's the thing: the basic assumption is that '[deity] knows all.'
>
> Does it not follow, then, that any choice you make, is already known?
Sure.
> If so, how then can it still be considered a choice? [Deity] already
> knows what the choice will be and all the choices/consequences, etc.
> that follow.
>
> Therefore, no free will.
So long as [deity] doesn't *force* anything, there's still choice.
> > Unless you believe that God is actively meddling in your life, causing you
> > do to things or not to do things, etc.....then free will is still very much
> > intact.
>
> I don't believe that [deity] is actively meddling in my life as i
> don't believe in [deity].
>
> Free will isn't a problem for me to get my head around, or to exercise
> on a daily basis. I just don't see how one can claim to believe in an
> all-knowing/seeing deity and still claim to have free will.
>
> You honestly don't see the contradiction in your statements?
I don't. We know jack shit about time. Just the stuff that we do
know, is pretty fucking mind-blowing. I swear it is.
[deity] is by definition "outside the box", so I don't see any
problems with "impossible" stuff, considering. Seems pretty easy...
sorta like the bluepill rootkit.
Contradiction is just an illusion, like everything else. Sorta.
Reality is really quite a trip, when you take everything into consideration.
I'm constantly impressed. I just like [deity], really, or the
possibility thereof. I'm honestly not 100% sure what the higher power
is, but I'm pretty sure there's something. Been sorta shown that
there's "something more" or maybe it's just right there, and we don't
really notice, or whatever. Reality == trip. Thinking is quite fun,
no matter what.
Whatever thinking is, right?
--
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord,
make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it.
Voltaire
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