Speaking of smoking.... lol!
On Jan 3, 2008 2:53 PM, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008 12:32 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How so? > > > > > > Even if He does have a purpose for you, and is watching you, can't you > > > always choose to tell him to take his purpose and shove it? > > > > And wouldn't that, from a believer's point of view, *also* be included > > in the preordained? > > > > Here's the thing: the basic assumption is that '[deity] knows all.' > > > > Does it not follow, then, that any choice you make, is already known? > > Sure. > > > If so, how then can it still be considered a choice? [Deity] already > > knows what the choice will be and all the choices/consequences, etc. > > that follow. > > > > Therefore, no free will. > > So long as [deity] doesn't *force* anything, there's still choice. > > > > Unless you believe that God is actively meddling in your life, causing you > > > do to things or not to do things, etc.....then free will is still very > > > much > > > intact. > > > > I don't believe that [deity] is actively meddling in my life as i > > don't believe in [deity]. > > > > Free will isn't a problem for me to get my head around, or to exercise > > on a daily basis. I just don't see how one can claim to believe in an > > all-knowing/seeing deity and still claim to have free will. > > > > You honestly don't see the contradiction in your statements? > > I don't. We know jack shit about time. Just the stuff that we do > know, is pretty fucking mind-blowing. I swear it is. > > [deity] is by definition "outside the box", so I don't see any > problems with "impossible" stuff, considering. Seems pretty easy... > sorta like the bluepill rootkit. > > Contradiction is just an illusion, like everything else. Sorta. > > Reality is really quite a trip, when you take everything into consideration. > > I'm constantly impressed. I just like [deity], really, or the > possibility thereof. I'm honestly not 100% sure what the higher power > is, but I'm pretty sure there's something. Been sorta shown that > there's "something more" or maybe it's just right there, and we don't > really notice, or whatever. Reality == trip. Thinking is quite fun, > no matter what. > > Whatever thinking is, right? > > -- > I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, > make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it. > Voltaire > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:249616 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
