On Jan 4, 2008 9:04 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not sure what point your making if any but this is what I came up with
> after reading it.
>
> ID doesn't claim to be deity based.
> Could be a far away experiment checking the nature of evolution with
> new life forms got lost in space and landed here. Pilots probably long
> dead but lived long enough to find a hospitable planet to land on and
> let loose the experiment. Maybe not.
There is this cool CG animated short with these plants that shoot
these seeds that go through space, land on a planet, grow into plants,
repeat.
They'd play it at raves, back in the day. I rather liked it.
> I know the argument is that ID is a disguise for Creationism, but
> isn't that the same as saying evolution is all about negating a deity?
> Time and testing support evolution and most realize it doesn't cover
> origins, which we still need to understand. If not please explain in a
> friendly tone
Even when I'm dripping with sarcasm, I don't mean anything in a bad
way. Just shoot'n the shit, ya know? I'll be straight with you tho.
> I'm thinking Darwin's spark in the pond theory needs as much faith as
> creationism. But at least that one is testable.
Well, what caused the spark? Why was everything set up for life? That
quote from the Hitchhiker's Guide wasn't just funny, you know. It was
more eloquent than I could be. God is mostly like philosophy. It's
been a while since He was carried around, and interacted directly with
His children, and whatnot. :-)
Hopefully there will always be The Question, is how I feel. -- there
was a group of quakers, IIRC, that Franklin was rather impressed by,
because they didn't publish their beliefs, or whatnot. Something to
the effect that if they were to write it down, it would maybe be
interpreted as law, and since they had sorta broke with the main
quaker group over what they thought God's message was, or something to
that effect, they figured that knowing God was an ongoing process (if
that makes sense).
I wish I was eloquent -- hell, the book isn't more than 10 feet away.
Heh. I like it better this way (I'll compare later, and see how close
I got:).
> I'm not for or against ID but that pdf seemed like a well-balanced
> place to start a friendly discussion. But alas, I forgot that here
> even a hint of religion will make the foaming-at-the-mouth go bonkers.
> My bad.
What do you think about this bit: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,'
says God, 'for poof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
Friendly tone, no foam, just honestly wonder, um, who your God is, so
to speak-- if that isn't too obtuse. I'm not good at being
nonconvoluted sometimes. But anyways:
Religion (I know it's "Life" to us believers) cannot be "taught" in
public school. We can have religious studies, and comparative
whatnots, because religion, and religious dogma, is a form of
knowledge. Knowledge is powerful. It's like The Force[1]. It can be
used for good and bad, which is why you gotta "know" the bad, as well
as the good, obviously. You wouldn't want to set your kid up with a
religion, without having the tools to defend it when confronted by The
Real World (you know, the magical place that everybody has to go to,
but nobody's at). *tangent* Seems like it's all about having a strong,
resilient faith.
Meaning, you wouldn't want to base your faith on something like, the
earth is flat. That's waaaay to easy, right? Sure you could argue
that the APPARENT roundness was the work of the Devil, or a test for
the Faithful, but, well, kids are like Jello, and might start to
wiggle when presented with so much, um, pressure to see things the way
they appear.
So instead you are like the coyote, and build your faith on the
unprovable. On those paradoxical Great Questions-- about life, the
universe, and, well, you know... everything.
Teach faith by showing it, I say. Where did God come from? What does
He think about? Can He htink? Maybe for Him, thinking is like the 2nd
dimension. Flat.
These are religious questions, or, if you will, philosophy questions.
Evolution doesn't answer /any/ of these questions. Evolution doesn't
prove or disprove God's existence. Gods existence? (Apostrophe, or not
to apostrophe? That is not the question. :-) Sorry, I wander) what I
mean is, I love quantum physics, right? A lot of these really smart
guys believed in God, or well, a Higher Power, you know. Eastern
mysticism didn't enter the picture by coincidence either, but I
digress--
Does God speak to you, Sam? Do you hear His voice? Or do you think
that he works more, indirectly? Honestly, what do you think about
that statement that I started this little chunk of my text off with?
Should we be trying to answer questions with God, or asking ask them
of Him? Personally, I love asking, finding out, learning-- whatever
you want to call that mentality.
You can call it crazy, I won't be offended. =]
Damn. So much for straight (or forward, for them gays ;). I almost
tried. (Damn that Nietzsche! -- worked last night *sigh*).
If you want, I can do an under 10 sentence response containing my
answer to why I think origins are more in the domain of philosophy or
religious studies than science class.
And, if this come off as, not nice, that is not my intent at all. I
did try to not convey sarcastic vibes or anything like that.
Anyways, I can't keep this up. I owe knowledge, even tho knowledge
never collects as much as it pays. I gotta get back to blogging, and
whatnot. Contributing a little more static information vs. so much of
this transient stuff. I'm seriously going to bust some willpower, and
start controlling, or, redirecting, some energy. Seriously. (Although
it's crazy to have willpower at all, right? Why not just do something
when you decide to do it? Hmmm... I'll keep pondering that stuff)
--
I didn't see it then, but it turned out that getting fired from Apple
was the best thing that could have ever happened to me. The heaviness
of being successful was replaced by the lightness of being a beginner
again, less sure about everything. It freed me to enter one of the
most creative periods of my life.
Steve Jobs (1955)
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