But given who the main proponents of ID are.. Can't it be implied that it is deity based....
The major problem that I have with ID, is that it's coming from the fundies, and their thinly disguised religio-politics. I think I'd be more inclined to listen if it was someone like Dr. Steven Hawkings saying "OK, we've figured out as much as we can.. we can't explain what set the big bang in motion, or how that hunk of matter got there" Our scientists are the modern day prophets, but when they make the discoveries it takes money out of fundamentalist coffers. God has a place side by side with science, we wouldn't have the intelligence or freewill to discover if it wasn't given (grown? In us) to us. The fundies depend on those who are willing to stop thinking for themselves, and just fall in line and sign over those social security and welfare checks. -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer SSTWebworks 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC. 27616 (919) 874-6229 (home) (703) 220-2835 (cell) -----Original Message----- From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:04 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Oh dear God no..... Not sure what point your making if any but this is what I came up with after reading it. ID doesn't claim to be deity based. Could be a far away experiment checking the nature of evolution with new life forms got lost in space and landed here. Pilots probably long dead but lived long enough to find a hospitable planet to land on and let loose the experiment. Maybe not. I know the argument is that ID is a disguise for Creationism, but isn't that the same as saying evolution is all about negating a deity? Time and testing support evolution and most realize it doesn't cover origins, which we still need to understand. If not please explain in a friendly tone I'm thinking Darwin's spark in the pond theory needs as much faith as creationism. But at least that one is testable. I'm not for or against ID but that pdf seemed like a well-balanced place to start a friendly discussion. But alas, I forgot that here even a hint of religion will make the foaming-at-the-mouth go bonkers. My bad. On 1/4/08, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Proving ID would be like proving God exists-- And how does that HHGTTG quote go? > > *poof* =-] > > -- > "'Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so > mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some > thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the > nonexistence of god. > > 'The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I > exist,' says God, 'for poof denies faith, and without faith I am > nothing.' > > ' 'But,' says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It > could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so > therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' > > ' 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly > vanishes in a puff of logic. > > ' 'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove > that black is white and gets himself killed on the next pedestrian > crossing. > > 'Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of > dingo's kidneys... " > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;160198600;22374440;w Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/message.cfm/messageid:249856 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
