On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:09 PM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, here's the facts as I see them. McCain sought the support of the > Hagee > > and was happy with the endorsement so he is now 'responsable' for what > Hagee > > says. > The words you are saying below are not the words that I've said in any way, shape or form. I simply said that Hagee is now McCain's 'responsability' and said NOTHING about Obama's continued or discontinued acceptance of Wright. I don't happen to see Wright or Obama's name at all in the statement above. Obama sought the endorsement of Wright, got it, then said, "no thanks" > when the controversial statements came to light. He has distanced > himself, now even further and yet the comments of Wright are still > characterized as 'Obama's problem.' > > McCain on the other hand actively sought Hagee's support, then got it. > Then, when there was controversy surrounding Hagee's comments "McCain > replied 'oh, probably, sure.' Despite admitting his error, McCain made > clear he's still 'glad to have his endorsement.'" > > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mccain-admits-h.html > > So McCain is not responsible for Hagee's continued comments, but Obama > is responsible for Wright's? > > That's hypocritical on its face. The reference to Wikipedia's reliability is a general one. An article may have an editor to control the mass of people trying to edit the article. That editor may pay attention and may have his own biases (as the editor managing the ColdFusion page does). And as for the accusation, I covered each one in the accusation section. If there are other accusations then they should be pointed out. > That being said, lets look at what Wikipedia (not a reliable source of > > information in general) has to say: > > Every accusation in the article is linked. So if you don't like the > sources, there's not really much I can do about that... The role of Pope Pius's role in WWII and his connections to Nazi Germany are VERY controversial with many leaning towards Hagee's interpretation. And if you remember at the time the church WAS anti-semetic to the point of encouraging in one way or another violence or other contempt for Jews. As Hagee stated, it was not until Pope John Paul that things turned around so much. But I guess I said Nazi so this thread is officially over. :) > > Accusations of anti-Catholicism - The term "Godless theology" is a very > > loaded one and one on which he has been and should be condemned. There > have > > been major steps away from their past arrogance in replacement > theology, > > accusations of deicide, etc. but there is still core issues such as > > proselytizing that show that arrogance. True, its not restricted to > > Catholicism, but.... > > Interesting that you left out the parts about Hagee tying Catholicism > to Hitler's anti-Jewish plans. But whatever, I respect your disbelief of God and going with that disbelief, anyone stating that an imaginary force is responsible for an event, while seeming insane, can't compare to someone saying that a concrete entity (as much as a government can be concrete) is responsible for the same or similar event. So if Hagee said that God created AIDs to kill gays or people of color (which includes my brother and son as they have olive skin), he can't be talking concretely but in metaphor or insanity. But if my statement below didn't reject his statement then let me do so now. I reject Hagee's statement that God sent the hurricane Katrine because of gays. Until God tells me that Hagee is right, I'm taking the statement as one of opinion, not fact and an opinion I don't subscribe to. > Comments on hurricane Katrina - Yes, God caused the hurricane (if you > > believe in God) but the reasoning for it is beyond his or anyone else's > > review unless they are in direct communication with God. But then > again, > > this is just as bad as saying the US government created AIDs to kill > people > > of color > > I don't believe in God, and yes, it _is_ just as bad as saying god > created AIDS to kill gays or people of color, etc. It's repugnant. But > McCain shouldn't have to worry about that, he's happy to have the > endorsement. > > > as an aside, the term people of color is the same as saying colored > people > > which is taken as an insult by many. Does the reversal of the words > make it > > that anyone can say it or is it reserved for people of color only? > > > > Accusations of antisemitism - He's not alone in his stated beliefs > here. He > > later qualified his belief to be limited to Biblical understanding > rather > > than modern history. > > And for that he gets a pass? From you? Well, reading the Bible will show you lots of places where God punished Israel for their actions of rebellion. We (Jews) are in exile even to this day because of our actions. So yes, he gets a pass by me and anyone who's read a Bible. > > > > Financial controversy - not an issue in this context. > > Why? Is financial mismanagement, swindling and etc only a problem when > the person in question supports a democrat? Show me where it was an issue with Wright. I didn't make it an issue nor did anyone here that I can recall. If we're going to go through the financial records of each pastor then lets go. > > On the whole, I find the 'problems' surrounding him to be FAR less of > an > > issue than those of Wright's. > > Really? Huh. And you don't see the double standard? Nope, not at all. Show me where Hagee's said comparable things to Wright and I'll see them as equal. Show me where Hagee supports David Duke, who could be the white equivilent to Louise Farakan and I'll see them as equal. I hear Wright and he's not telling me he's my brother or fellow American. I hear hate for me in his words. Give me a good video or audio piece where Hagee shows the same hate. 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