I am not saying you should speak directly to the client, but if you have 
concerns, before, during, and after a project, then you should tell the 
project manager.

You shouldn't do something just because that is the way the client wants it 
until you have voiced you concerns about it, then, of course, take the 
money, and when they complain about it later, say I told you so.

I like to think I am pretty good when it comes to what works and what 
doesn't when it comes to design and interface. I usually tell people that I 
don't like it. I don't have a problem telling the client their idea is bad, 
or it should be changed. But in many places it is not the responsibility of 
the programmer to do so. But the programmer, as a user who is testing the 
site and understands more about it than anybody else, should voice 
concerns, dislikes, and problems quickly so they can be resolved.

Failure to do so can reflect poorly on the company and the client.

At 04:02 PM 3/27/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Hmm, I'd have to disagree, if there is going to be a project manager, then
>that is the person who has to make everyone happy.
>Inevitably in my experience if I try to talk to a client too much about
>their site, I start thinking about the code as we talk, which leads to me
>influencing directly what the finished product looks like, because they are
>bouncing ideas off of me, and I may not be thinking about what benefits
>there are to the client, but how I am going to have to change the
>database... I don't think this is a good idea, the programmer should be
>transparent to the whole process. Of course the programmer should stand up
>when something doesn't make sense, but otherwise saying, something can't be
>done is almost always wrong. If you someone can dream it up, the programmer
>should be able to implement it, in the most logical way.
>If however, the only requirement is "A peice of software that designs
>efficient widgets", then the programmer(s) should obviously be involved in
>the design process.
>
>Besides, I'm always happy with my code...until a year later when I look back
>:)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 3:37 PM
>Subject: Re: Conversations...
>
>
> > I don't disagree with this, As a programmer you responsibility is to make
> > everybody happy. the company, the client, the public(maybe), and yourself.
> >
><snipage>
>
>
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