On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ....
>> > As for the rest of it, I have said all along that I thought the President
>> > went to war to change the strategic situation in the Middle East by
>> > introducing democracy to Iraq. I thought they should have sold the war on
>> > that basis, for what it is - a fight against the forces of tyranny and
>> > repression.
>>
>> Hey, you knew all along, eh? So the global warming shit bothers you,
>> but this is O.K.?
>>
>> We were manipulated very badly. That is not a good thing.
>
>> You may have thought that the war should have been sold "honestly",
>> but that's just not what happened.
>>
>> It's a good American's duty to say "fuck that".
>>
>
> As I said, I would have preferred that the war had been sold on the merits,
> but hey, I agree with the actual reasoning, so caveat emptor, caballero.
It just seems like a double-standard. It's ok to lie to go to war,
(when there were legit' ways to go about it!) but putting spin on
global warming is unacceptable?
Not that double-standards are non-normal, but what about priorities?
>> Not cop-out and say "he was a bad man, momma!". That isn't what this
>> is about. Laws were broken, esse.
>> Not that that's anything special, but, you know. It's pretty bad for
>> presidents to be doing acts of treason and whatnot, and worse to see
>> people support the crap.
>>
>
> Here is where we part ways. No one has demonstrated what laws were broken or
> treason committed. That's political talk for "we don't like this a-hole.",
> which is perfectly fine in my book, but let's be clear about what we're
> really saying.
I should be chanting "impeach, impeach, impeach"-- treason would never
stick, and sounds pretty far-fetched after Maureen's definition. Not
that far-fetched tho. :-P Seriously tho, were you one of the ones
chanting for impeachment over the sex-scandal with Clinton? Even if
you weren't, what about *that* double standard?
Why no fevrant calls for justice with this guy?
{...}
>> Bush is an ass. It's ok. Nixon did some good. Some good will come
>> out of this. That's just how it works.
>
> Matter of opinion. I think Bill Clinton is a buffoon. An intellectual star,
> but still a buffoon. Bush's Presidency has been marked by provincial
> loyalty- all those Texas folks. McClellan is just the tip of the iceberg.
> Harriet Meyers on the Supreme Court? Come on! John Roberts sets the standard
> there, and she isn't in the same league as him.
>
> Mind you, I have nothing against Texas, but there are 49 other states, plus
> a number of territories, in the nation. A wise leader finds the best of the
> best, wherever they are.
Well, I can see you're not all "everything's peachy" about Bush's
terms in office, so sorry for coming off so strong (there's a part of
my brain that lumps all "it hasn't been that bad" type sentiments in
together).
Look, didn't Regan deal with terrorists? Other presidents have done
other things that were questionable, yet instead of calling someone on
the carpet for the job they're actually supposed to be doing, we do it
when we're all concerned about their love-life? That's part of where
this whole "broken laws, broken laws" comes from.
In the end, I truly believe we'll find a lot worse lies went down, and
more laws were broken, during Bush's run.
I see people trying to rationalize this stuff and it's... well, a trip.
But hey, I guess I sound pretty trippy myself, at times. *cough*
=]
--
Watched "Riding Giants" again the other night. Woot!
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