Eri*K*a,

Internet acronym meaning: "Too Much Information"
former acronym meaning: "Three Mile Island" as in near nuclear-plant
meltdown
either one fits in this context 
;-)

Was gonna ask if you were pulling our leg but nah, NM...

-Benny


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:49 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> 
> 
> LOLOL! Well, I don't know, but it sounded good! <grin>
> and what does TMI stand for?
> 
> Erika
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> >>|-----Original Message-----
> >>|From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>|Sent: 02 April 2002 20:28
> >>|To: CF-Community
> >>|Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> >>|
> >>|
> >>|Umm, how is that a "better tomorrow" and for whom is it better?
> >>|or would that be TMI?
> >>|aw heck tell us anyway!
> >>|
> >>|So the other Abraham ($5) makes a Freudian slip:
> >>|"Foreskin and seven years ago our Forefathers..."
> >>|
> >>|-Ben
> >>|
> >>|
> >>|> -----Original Message-----
> >>|> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>|> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:08 AM
> >>|> To: CF-Community
> >>|> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> >>|> 
> >>|> 
> >>|> see Benny, see what you started! <grin>
> >>|> 
> >>|> Erika
> >>|> married to an uncircumcised man for a better tomorrow.
> >>|> ------------------------------------------------------------
> >>|> 
> >>|> >>|-----Original Message-----
> >>|> >>|From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >>|> >>|Sent: 02 April 2002 20:00
> >>|> >>|To: CF-Community
> >>|> >>|Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> >>|> >>|
> >>|> >>|
> >>|> >>|>> >This is the one I don't believe.  Put someone in the cold
> >>|> >>|and then slice
> >>|> >>|>off
> >>|> >>|>> >the skin on the tips of their fingers and see 
> which they are
> >>|> >>|more upset
> >>|> >>|>> >about.
> >>|> >>|>> We're talking about a baby here, not an adult. If you were
> >>|> >>|present to hear
> >>|> >>|>the baby cry you'd probably agree with me.
> >>|> >>|>
> >>|> >>|>You're not suggesting that babies don't feel pain like adults
> >>|> >>|do, are you?
> >>|> >>|I'm saying that All pain is the same to them as their nervous
> >>|> >>|system has no ability to distinguish at the time (8 
> days old in
> >>|> >>|Judaism). As a side note, my family was once a foster 
> family and
> >>|> >>|had a child that was circumcised at the age of 4. He 
> didn't cry
> >>|> >>|at all during the procedure. I also know someone who converted
> >>|> >>|to Judaism. He had it done and he was in his 20's. 
> I'd say that
> >>|> >>|the pain is about comprable to that of an ear pierce. (when
> >>|> >>|Judith and Hinda Tova get their ears pierced I'll 
> listen in and
> >>|> >>|report back).
> >>|> >>|
> >>|> >>|>OK .. here is some video of a circumcision.  That baby 
> >>|> sounds like it's
> >>|> >>|>doing a little more than complaining of the cold.
> >>|> >>|>
> >>|> >>|>http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/circ.mov
> >>|> >>|I'll have to look at this when I get home as I can't see it at
> >>|> >>|the moment. What I'm saying is that my experience, as someone
> >>|> >>|being at a number of these events and standing anywhere from 3
> >>|> >>|feet to 10 feet away is that the screams are 
> basically the same.
> >>|> >>|I will be sure to make a specific note of it the next 
> one I go to.
> >>|> >>|
> >>|> >>|>> >You can't convince me that that doesn't hurt like 
> hell.  If
> >>|> >>|it's not that
> >>|> >>|>> >big of a deal, why bother giving anesthetic to adults?  If
> >>|> >>|being cold is
> >>|> >>|>> >worse, then the adults shouldn't have anything to complain
> >>|> >>|about.  Sure
> >>|> >>|>> >would save on the medical bill ....
> >>|> >>|>> Never said it didn't. My wife stubs her toe and she 
> >>|> screams and hops
> >>|> >>|>around thinking its broken (she has a low pain 
> >>|> tolerance). A baby had NO
> >>|> >>|>pain tolerance. Any discomfort is pain to it. Is it 
> >>|> equipped to tell the
> >>|> >>|>difference between the two pains or the degree? nope.
> >>|> >>|>
> >>|> >>|>I also don't believe this.  Doctors used to think 
> babies didn't
> >>|> >>|feel pain at
> >>|> >>|>all.  This is thinking had doctors even performing open 
> >>|> heart surgery on
> >>|> >>|>babies without anesthetic.  Now they know that babies have a
> >>|> >>|fully developed
> >>|> >>|>nervouse system that functions just as well as an adult's.
> >>|> >>|They can tell
> >>|> >>|>the difference between degrees of discomfort.
> >>|> >>|I have to disagree. This ability comes in time but a newborn
> >>|> >>|does not have it.
> >>|> >>|
> >>|> >>|
> >>|> 
> >>|
> 
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