Too Much Information

-----Original Message-----
From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))


LOLOL! Well, I don't know, but it sounded good! <grin>
and what does TMI stand for?

Erika
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>>|-----Original Message-----
>>|From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>|Sent: 02 April 2002 20:28
>>|To: CF-Community
>>|Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>|
>>|
>>|Umm, how is that a "better tomorrow" and for whom is it better?
>>|or would that be TMI?
>>|aw heck tell us anyway!
>>|
>>|So the other Abraham ($5) makes a Freudian slip:
>>|"Foreskin and seven years ago our Forefathers..."
>>|
>>|-Ben
>>|
>>|
>>|> -----Original Message-----
>>|> From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>|> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 11:08 AM
>>|> To: CF-Community
>>|> Subject: RE: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>|>
>>|>
>>|> see Benny, see what you started! <grin>
>>|>
>>|> Erika
>>|> married to an uncircumcised man for a better tomorrow.
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>>|>
>>|> >>|-----Original Message-----
>>|> >>|From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>|> >>|Sent: 02 April 2002 20:00
>>|> >>|To: CF-Community
>>|> >>|Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
>>|> >>|
>>|> >>|
>>|> >>|>> >This is the one I don't believe.  Put someone in the cold
>>|> >>|and then slice
>>|> >>|>off
>>|> >>|>> >the skin on the tips of their fingers and see which they are
>>|> >>|more upset
>>|> >>|>> >about.
>>|> >>|>> We're talking about a baby here, not an adult. If you were
>>|> >>|present to hear
>>|> >>|>the baby cry you'd probably agree with me.
>>|> >>|>
>>|> >>|>You're not suggesting that babies don't feel pain like adults
>>|> >>|do, are you?
>>|> >>|I'm saying that All pain is the same to them as their nervous
>>|> >>|system has no ability to distinguish at the time (8 days old in
>>|> >>|Judaism). As a side note, my family was once a foster family and
>>|> >>|had a child that was circumcised at the age of 4. He didn't cry
>>|> >>|at all during the procedure. I also know someone who converted
>>|> >>|to Judaism. He had it done and he was in his 20's. I'd say that
>>|> >>|the pain is about comprable to that of an ear pierce. (when
>>|> >>|Judith and Hinda Tova get their ears pierced I'll listen in and
>>|> >>|report back).
>>|> >>|
>>|> >>|>OK .. here is some video of a circumcision.  That baby
>>|> sounds like it's
>>|> >>|>doing a little more than complaining of the cold.
>>|> >>|>
>>|> >>|>http://www.cirp.org/library/procedure/plastibell/circ.mov
>>|> >>|I'll have to look at this when I get home as I can't see it at
>>|> >>|the moment. What I'm saying is that my experience, as someone
>>|> >>|being at a number of these events and standing anywhere from 3
>>|> >>|feet to 10 feet away is that the screams are basically the same.
>>|> >>|I will be sure to make a specific note of it the next one I go to.
>>|> >>|
>>|> >>|>> >You can't convince me that that doesn't hurt like hell.  If
>>|> >>|it's not that
>>|> >>|>> >big of a deal, why bother giving anesthetic to adults?  If
>>|> >>|being cold is
>>|> >>|>> >worse, then the adults shouldn't have anything to complain
>>|> >>|about.  Sure
>>|> >>|>> >would save on the medical bill ....
>>|> >>|>> Never said it didn't. My wife stubs her toe and she
>>|> screams and hops
>>|> >>|>around thinking its broken (she has a low pain
>>|> tolerance). A baby had NO
>>|> >>|>pain tolerance. Any discomfort is pain to it. Is it
>>|> equipped to tell the
>>|> >>|>difference between the two pains or the degree? nope.
>>|> >>|>
>>|> >>|>I also don't believe this.  Doctors used to think babies didn't
>>|> >>|feel pain at
>>|> >>|>all.  This is thinking had doctors even performing open
>>|> heart surgery on
>>|> >>|>babies without anesthetic.  Now they know that babies have a
>>|> >>|fully developed
>>|> >>|>nervouse system that functions just as well as an adult's.
>>|> >>|They can tell
>>|> >>|>the difference between degrees of discomfort.
>>|> >>|I have to disagree. This ability comes in time but a newborn
>>|> >>|does not have it.
>>|> >>|
>>|> >>|
>>|>
>>|

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