just an "oh by the way" -

yes, I'm Jewish.
yes, I was.
did it hurt?
I don't remember.

-Ben


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:48 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Not getting any (RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0))
> 
> 
> > Todd,
> >
> > Infants do not have a fully developed nervous system. For instance,
> > mylinization, how the major nerves and nerve pathways 
> become electrically
> > insulated, isn't complete until after 18 on the average.
> 
> "Lack of myelination has been proposed as an index of the 
> lack of maturity
> in the neonatal nervous system30 and is used frequently to support the
> argument that premature or full-term neonates are not capable of pain
> perception.9-19 However, even in the peripheral nerves of adults,
> nociceptive impulses are carried through unmyelinate (C-polymodal) and
> thinly myelinated (A-delta) fibers.31 Incomplete myelination 
> merely implies
> a slower conduction velocity in the nerves or central nerve tracts of
> neonates, which is offset completely by the shorter interneuron and
> neuromuscular distances traveled by the impulse.32 Moreover, 
> quantitative
> neuroanatomical data have shown that nociceptive nerve tracts 
> in the spinal
> cord and central nervous system undergo complete myelination 
> during the
> second and third trimesters of gestation. Pain pathways to 
> the brain stem
> and thalamus are completely myelinated by 30 weeks; whereas the
> thalamocortical pain fibers in the posterior limb of the 
> internal capsule
> and corona radiata are myelinated by 37 weeks.33"
> 
> > Moreover pain
> > perception is also a matter of experience and 
> interpretation. so if you
> > don't have the mechanism for the pain, its very difficult 
> to define it as
> > such.
> 
> The persistence of specific behavioral changes after circumcision in
> neonates implies the presence of memory. In the short term, 
> these behavioral
> changes may disrupt the adaptation of newborn infants to 
> their postnatal
> environment,174-176 the development of parent-infant bonding, 
> and feeding
> schedules.182,182 In the long term, painful experiences in 
> neonates could
> possibly lead to psychological sequelae,22 since several 
> workers have shown
> that newborns may have a much greater capacity for memory than was
> previously thought.183-186
> 
> "Other responses in newborn infants are suggestive of 
> integrated emotional
> and behavioral responses to pain and are retained in memory 
> long enough to
> modify subsequent behavior patterns."
> 
> 
> These are from:
> 
> PAIN AND ITS EFFECTS IN THE HUMAN NEONATE AND FETUS
> K.J.S. ANAND, M.B.B.S., D.PHIL., AND P.R. HICKEY, M.D
> From the Department of Anesthesia, Harvard Medical School, 
> and Children's
> Hospital, Boston.
> 
> As printed in:
> NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE. Vol. 317 No 21: Pages 1321-1329, 19
> November 1987.
> 
> 
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