On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Both. > They left out the Major Biden ones. > > Here's few quick ones: > > Defense Disagreements > Gave the point to Biden. > > He said the he doesn't like to use the word surge but asked for more > troops. >
> The commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. > David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge > strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in > Afghanistan. The surge in Iraq was not just about having more troops. It was about putting more troops into Baghdad and locking down the neighborhoods with overwhelming numbers in order to cut violence in the capital city in order to give space for political progress. If you dispute that, you can go back and read Bush's speech announcing it. McKiernan said that the surge strategy wouldn't work in Afghanistan. And the obvious reason for that is because the violence isn't in the capital by and large. The problems they are having is in remote provinces, especially on the border with Pakistan. Political reconciliation isn't as big of a problem in Afghanistan either. There are certainly waring factions that have hereditary animosity with one another. But it isn't a millenia long religious dispute like it is with Shia versus Sunni. And Afghanistan doesn't have the Kurd problem either. Afghanistan does need more troops (which Obama and Biden have pointed out). McKiernan agrees that they need more troops. But not for a surge strategy. Those soliders that go in will be there for awhile and it will be slow and difficult slog trying to pacify very troubled regions along with training more Afghani troops. Its a different country and a different war. As for the "working with the tribes", that's not a surge strategy. That is standard counter-insurgency. You can read Patreauses work on the matter if you like. Counter insurgency is very important in Afghanistan. It has nothing to do with "the surge". I can further point you to work my friend did in Afghanistan 2 years ago "working with the tribes" which was most definitely before the announcement of the surge strategy in Iraq. > > > Killing Afghan Civilians > "ALL we're doing in Afghanistan is air-raiding villages and killing > civilians." > They stretched real far to try to justify that and failed. I agree, that one is sketchy. Its true that we have been killing an abnormal and unhealthy number of civilians in Afghanistan. It would certainly be wrong to imply we weren't doing anything else. > > Clean coal. > They're defending Biden for an outright lie. > Um, they have one instance of Biden saying he's against clean coal. And they have years of him actively pursuing and supporting it. How is that an outright lie? > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I just read the factcheck site and it seemed pretty spot on with their > > criticisms. Are you disagreeing with their citations? Or are you saying > they > > are biased because they left out some claims they should have covered? > > > > Judah > > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Wow, fact checked is looking pretty biased here > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Scott Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_biden-palin_debate.html > >> > > >> > Factcheck.org, a little less "one-sided" > >> > > >> > Sam wrote: > >> >> Up to 24 Biden lies so far. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVhMThlNjRkZGFlMmUwOWFkNDZkZjk0MzBiY2JiYmY= > >> >> > >> >> What's the Palin lie count? > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:272177 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
