On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
GEN. MCKIERNAN: Well, I think the similarity is the fact that we need
to leverage the tribal system in Afghanistan as was done in Iraq, as
-- for a community, bottom-up based approach to security and
connection with the government. That part's the same.
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4297

>  The surge in Iraq was not just about having more troops. It was about
>
> As for the "working with the tribes", that's not a surge strategy. That is
> standard counter-insurgency. You can read Patreauses work on the matter if
> you like. Counter insurgency is very important in Afghanistan. It has
> nothing to do with "the surge". I can further point you to work my friend
> did in Afghanistan 2 years ago "working with the tribes" which was most
> definitely before the announcement of the surge strategy in Iraq.

The surge did not create the first of the tribal "awakenings," but it
was the catalyst for their expansion and eventual success. The tribal
revolt took off after the arrival of reinforcements and as U.S. and
Iraqi units fought to make the Iraqi people secure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/08/AR2008080802918_pf.html

> Um, they have one instance of Biden saying he's against clean coal. And they
> have years of him actively pursuing  and supporting it. How is that an
> outright lie?

He said he was taken out of context and he certainly was not.

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