Beth- thought you were never gonna have kids? -Ben -----Original Message----- From: Beth Fleischer To: CF-Community Sent: 4/4/2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods
Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: - Would your son serve you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before you say grace because he loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps your children have been raised with different roles based on gender. I am not going to say its wrong for men and women to play different roles - its all about personal choice. But I certainly will try my best to raise my kids without those kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter will be expected to do the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged to do sports and boys will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will learn to sew on buttons and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to take more traditional gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like them to be able to make that choice and not have it decided by me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major things held against Orthodox Jews and usually they're totally blown out of proportion. > Actually, I was laughing today at something my daughter did. I was in a small fight on a different list with a militant feminist who took anything I said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking how she'd react to my daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash my hands before we said the grace after meals. She was doing it to be helpful and because she loves me but I knew that the woman would see it as me subjugating my daughter or teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter is subservient to no one and is more willful than I am). > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and all my kids. :) > > > > Thanks for the explanation! > > -Ben > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, its a difference > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a day. Women don't. > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have to. I can go on > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is moot. A woman > > > can't count for a minyan because she's not bound by the obligation. > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count either as he's > > > not bound by obligation either. > > > > > > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. > > > > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still don't count > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me people here to correct > > > > > me) that jews > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but just 9 "men". > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it my dad used to tell.....I > > > > > am sure I will > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. > > > > > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews and Christians" > > > > > Muslims don't need > > > > > a > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that uniquely, Muslim's > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of worship. I can't speak > > > > > for Jews, but > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the only place you can > > > > > pray is in a > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a physical church > > > represents the > > > > > religion > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ is where ever there > > > > > are believers. > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve as education facilities > > > > > and community > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way since early in the > > > > > church history. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to church"? I don't > > > > > know. I didn't > > > > > > catch that part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without really paying as close > > > > > attention to > > > > > the > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would like, that they were > > > > > > mischaracterizing > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
