Ummm, how ya gonna get him to breast feed? It's healthier for the kid...
> -----Original Message----- > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:43 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > My goal is to have a househusband when kids enter the picture. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > It starts getting different when kids enter the picture. When we got > married, we were both working. When Judith gave birth she > tried to work and > be a mother at the same time and decided to do the latter. I > made sure I got > a good job with benefits (and a 3 hour commute) to make sure we were > covered. Even now, Judith is an at home mom where she also > does her editing > and other work. > > Basically, my salary pays for her to work on FA and other > projects. :) > > If she wanted to go out to work and have me at home I'd > have no problem. > Of course, I kind of make more due to who I am but that's > besides the point. > If I had a steady stream of income I'd be home writing > articles, recording > lessons, writing code, and taking care of the kids with no > problem at all. > Anyone here want to finance me for a year and get credit for > all I produce? > I'll have a dozen "complete" papers out with no problem. :) > > (Complete CFSCRIPT still has to be edited, complete > comparison (CFIF, etc) > is in pieces, complete iteration (loops) is as well and there > are bits and > pieces of a half dozen more.) > > > > At 12:07 PM 4/5/02, you wrote: > > >H, as long as its her CHOICE to be the domestic one, I > have no problem > with > > >it. When its the man's choice it pisses me off. I know > some really > > >independent, professional women who are very domestic at > home - its weird > to > > >me (and in the case I am thinking of even weird to her) > but if thats what > > >you like to do, go for it. > > > > > >I love to cook and I cook well believe it or not, I just > know its not my > job > > >(as a woman) to cook for Mike. That being said I often cook but he > cleans > > >the kitchen and does the dishes. Or we eat out (we are > dual income no > kids, > > >why not?). If he cooked I would be starving all the > time.....he cooks > > >pretty badly. > > > > > >I do not however do as much cleaning as he does. I feel > somewhat guilty > > >about that but he cares if its clean and I dont'. > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Howard Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:02 AM > > >Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > >> I was a bachelor until I was 31, so I know how to cook > and clean and > sew, > > >> etc. I don't mind cooking a couple of meals a week > (usually on the > > >> weekends). I enjoy it. But I'm thankful I have a wife > who likes (most > of > > >> the time) taking care of the house. I feel especially > fortunate that I > > >> married a woman who cooks as well as my mom. So many of > my friends > have > > >> wives who can't cook at all, and they can't cook -- so > they eat out a > lot, > > >> or fast food, or frozen meals (though we've been eating > a lot more > frozen > > >> meals because during the week I'm so busy and my wife > doesn't cook on > days > > >> she has to work (part-time)). > > >> > > >> H. > > >> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Michael Corrigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:09 AM > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> > > >> > > >> In Samoan culture, women are not allowed in the kitchen. > It's is the > > >man's > > >> domain. He is responsible for gathering and preparing of foods. > > >> > > >> I agree wholeheartedly with you Michael. I have a 16 > month old and > want > > >to > > >> create the same environment for him as well. My wife > and I do our best > to > > >> create a warm, loving, and safe place for him. He is > allowed to push > the > > >> boundaries but we are there to prevent him from doing > things that will > > >hurt > > >> him. He will learn things that will allow him to be > self sufficient > when > > >he > > >> is older and that includes all of the things that some > may consider > > >feminine > > >> roles (I.e. cooking, sewing, etc.). My grandmother > always told me that > a > > >> man that can't take care of himself is no man and I > agree. Whenever I > > >think > > >> about how to raise kids, I remember something Mel Gibson > (surprisingly) > > >once > > >> said that the parents role as disciplinarian should be > done in such a > > >manner > > >> that it breaks their will but not their > > >> spirit. I thought that was profound, especially coming > from Mad Max! > > >> > > >> Michael Corrigan > > >> Programmer > > >> Endora Digital Solutions > > >> 1900 Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > >> Lombard, IL 60148 > > >> 630-627-5055 ext.-136 > > >> 630/627-5255 Fax > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:21 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> > > >> > > >> As my son does fight with my daughter to give me a book or do > something > > >> for me, I'd say yes, he would. Actually, my son is the > sensitive one > while > > >> my daughter is the daredevil. My job as a parent is to > give them the > > >freedom > > >> to learn and grown and not force them into any specific role. > Personally, > > >I > > >> think I do a good job with it. > > >> As a side note, I know how to sew and can also cook > rather well. My > wife > > >> learned to cook after we got married. And both of the > older children > (the > > >> youngest is to small) enjoy helping me and/or Judith > when we cook. > > >> Personally, I see cooking as a masculine job. It's a > knife and fire > used > > >to > > >> build something. :) > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: > - Would your > son > > >> serve > > >> > you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before > you say grace > > >because > > >> he > > >> > loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps > your children > have > > >> been > > >> > raised with different roles based on gender. I am > not going to say > > >its > > >> > wrong for men and women to play different roles - > its all about > > >personal > > >> > choice. But I certainly will try my best to raise my kids > without > > >> those > > >> > kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter > will be expected > to > > >> do > > >> > the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged > to do sports > and > > >> boys > > >> > will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will > learn to sew on > > >> buttons > > >> > and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to > take more > > >> traditional > > >> > gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like > them to be able > to > > >> make > > >> > that choice and not have it decided by me. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major > things held against > > >> Orthodox > > >> > Jews and usually they're totally blown out of proportion. > > >> > > Actually, I was laughing today at something my > daughter did. I > was > > >in > > >> a > > >> > small fight on a different list with a militant > feminist who took > > >> anything I > > >> > said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking > how she'd react > to > > >my > > >> > daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash > my hands before > we > > >> said > > >> > the grace after meals. She was doing it to be > helpful and because > she > > >> loves > > >> > me but I knew that the woman would see it as me > subjugating my > > >daughter > > >> or > > >> > teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter > is subservient > to > > >no > > >> one > > >> > and is more willful than I am). > > >> > > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and > all my kids. :) > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Thanks for the explanation! > > >> > > > -Ben > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM > > >> > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, > its a difference > > >> > > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a > day. Women don't. > > >> > > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have > to. I can go on > > >> > > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is > moot. A woman > > >> > > > > can't count for a minyan because she's not bound by the > > >> obligation. > > >> > > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count > either as he's > > >> > > > > not bound by obligation either. > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still don't count > > >> > > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > -Ben > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM > > >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me > people here to > > >correct > > >> > > > > > > me) that jews > > >> > > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but just 9 "men". > > >> > > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it my dad used to > > >tell.....I > > >> > > > > > > am sure I will > > >> > > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > >> > > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek > R200, Kickbike > > >> > > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat > (Keeshond Boy) > > >> > > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM > > >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews > and Christians" > > >> > > > > > > Muslims don't need > > >> > > > > > > a > > >> > > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that uniquely, Muslim's > > >> > > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of > worship. I can't > speak > > >> > > > > > > for Jews, but > > >> > > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the > only place you > > >can > > >> > > > > > > pray is in a > > >> > > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a > physical church > > >> > > > > represents the > > >> > > > > > > religion > > >> > > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ > is where ever > there > > >> > > > > > > are believers. > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve as education > facilities > > >> > > > > > > and community > > >> > > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way > since early in the > > >> > > > > > > church history. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to > church"? I don't > > >> > > > > > > know. I didn't > > >> > > > > > > > catch that part. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without > really paying as > > >close > > >> > > > > > > attention to > > >> > > > > > > the > > >> > > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would > like, that they > > >were > > >> > > > > > > > mischaracterizing > > >> > > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > H. > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
