Ben,

>The Orthodox answer was basically "by holding fast to our laws and traditions, and 
>not changing". The Reform answer was basically "by holding fast to our beliefs and 
>adapting them to the context in which we live".  

The Catholic church has undergone a similar change, especially under Pope John Paul.  
There were many that were not pleased when he became Pope.  He understood the theology 
of Christianity and began a movement, so to speak, within the church to reflect that.  
Many of our older brothers and sisters (not as in nuns) remember the older church and 
it's strict adherence to rules versus understanding what Christ was trying to say to 
us.  I like the church much more now than when I was younger. part of it is age, but I 
think a greater part of it is the church's attitude.  A lot of the cranky old priests 
are gone now and there's a youthful and hopeful sense to the church.

Michael Corrigan
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Braver, Ben 
  To: CF-Community 
  Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:23 PM
  Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods


  Beth-

  this is why I'm a Reform Jew.

  My daughter had a Bat Mitzvah - not known in Orthodoxy.
  She wore a Tallit (prayer shawl) and Yarmulke.
  She chanted from the Torah.

  This post is *not* critical of Orthodox traditions.
  Please note that in the Christian world, there was a little something called
  the Protestant Reformation and a number of denominations formed with a broad
  liberal to Conservative span. You still have the Roman Catholic and Eastern
  Orthodox variants of Christianity.

  Saw a fascinating video in a class at Temple once. Recall the question being
  asked "how have we managed to survive all these years?".  The Orthodox
  answer was basically "by holding fast to our laws and traditions, and not
  changing". The Reform answer was basically "by holding fast to our beliefs
  and adapting them to the context in which we live".  

  I think this implies though that Orthodox Judiasm is more focused on laws
  and compliance, and less on theology, with Reform somewhat the reverse.

  I try not to feel "inferior" to Orthodox Jews who hew to the mitzvot. I must
  say, though, it bothers me that the Orthodoxy (particularly in Israel) tries
  very  hard to not only make me feel that way, but to say I am not really a
  Jew.

  -Ben


  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 12:25 PM
  > To: CF-Community
  > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods
  > 
  > 
  > <sigh> yes, it does get sticky here.
  > 
  > If your daughter grew up and decided she wanted to wear a 
  > yarmulke, would
  > you think that was wrong too?
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:13 AM
  > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods
  > 
  > 
  > > >Then you aren't raising your kids with sexist values.  I 
  > think its good
  > > >because it gives them more options.
  > > But by definition I am. I tell Moshe to put on his 
  > Yarmulka, something
  > Hinda doesn't have to do. I don't dress Hinda in pants nor 
  > short dresses due
  > to the laws of modesty. Moshe has to stand by the side when 
  > Hinda and Judith
  > light Shabbos candles. I do observe differences based on 
  > gender as defined
  > in Judaism. I just don't think they're 'wrong'.
  > >
  > > 
  > 
  
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