I always say that but dont' really mean it. Erika means it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: RE: Egypt: Land of the Gods > Beth- > thought you were never gonna have kids? > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth Fleischer > To: CF-Community > Sent: 4/4/2002 9:07 PM > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > Hm, well maybe it is sexist, depends on your family: - Would your son > serve > you with a small pitcher to wash your hands before you say grace because > he > loves you and to be helpful? If not, then perhaps your children have > been > raised with different roles based on gender. I am not going to say its > wrong for men and women to play different roles - its all about personal > choice. But I certainly will try my best to raise my kids without > those > kinds of differentiations - both son and daughter will be expected to > do > the same household chores. Girls will be encouraged to do sports and > boys > will be encouraged to do crafts. All children will learn to sew on > buttons > and paddle a kayak. If later in life they choose to take more > traditional > gender roles, thats their choice, but I would like them to be able to > make > that choice and not have it decided by me. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > Any time. Women's issues are one of the major things held against > Orthodox > Jews and usually they're totally blown out of proportion. > > Actually, I was laughing today at something my daughter did. I was in > a > small fight on a different list with a militant feminist who took > anything I > said as an attack on her. I was laughing thinking how she'd react to my > daughter 'serving' me with a small pitcher to wash my hands before we > said > the grace after meals. She was doing it to be helpful and because she > loves > me but I knew that the woman would see it as me subjugating my daughter > or > teaching her to be subservient to men. (My daughter is subservient to no > one > and is more willful than I am). > > Have I ever mentioned how proud I am of her and all my kids. :) > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation! > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:17 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > They count, but not in that respect. Again, its a difference > > > > in perspective. Men HAVE to pray 3 times a day. Women don't. > > > > Men MUST pray with a minyan, Women don't have to. I can go on > > > > and on about the whole thing but the point is moot. A woman > > > > can't count for a minyan because she's not bound by the > obligation. > > > > An aside, a boy younger than 13 doesn't count either as he's > > > > not bound by obligation either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10 men, called a Minyan. > > > > > > > > > > AFAIK in Orthodox Judiasm, women still don't count > > > > > Hope I'm wrong <grin> > > > > > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: BethF [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 8:56 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe (lots of more jewish than me people here to correct > > > > > > me) that jews > > > > > > dont' need a synagogue to pray but just 9 "men". > > > > > > In fact there is some joke about it my dad used to tell.....I > > > > > > am sure I will > > > > > > get it all wrong so I won't tell it. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > > > > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > > > > > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > > > > > > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Egypt: Land of the Gods > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I hear them say that "unlike Jews and Christians" > > > > > > Muslims don't need > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > centralized place to pray? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems they also said that uniquely, Muslim's > > > > > > > > mosques are more than a place of worship. I can't speak > > > > > > for Jews, but > > > > > > > > certainly Christians don't believe the only place you can > > > > > > pray is in a > > > > > > > > church, nor do they believe that a physical church > > > > represents the > > > > > > religion > > > > > > > > (as was implied). The Body of Christ is where ever there > > > > > > are believers. > > > > > > > > Also, many churches also serve as education facilities > > > > > > and community > > > > > > > > facilities, and it's been this way since early in the > > > > > > church history. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they were refering to "going to church"? I don't > > > > > > know. I didn't > > > > > > > catch that part. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got the impression, without really paying as close > > > > > > attention to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > beginning of that segament as I would like, that they were > > > > > > > mischaracterizing > > > > > > > > Christianity (and possibly Judiasim). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
