On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - staying prisoner with the other men in vietnam despite the promise > of severe torture. calling it courageous doesn't even do it justice. >
Honestly, this could be out of ignorance on the matter, but could you expand upon this? I didn't think that McCain had a choice in the matter. From what I read in his statements, he feels bad that he cracked under torture and gave up false testimony against his fellow soldiers. Which I certainly don't hold against him of course. That was one of the reasons I applauded his old anti-torture stance and was appalled at his new pro-torture stance. For someone that has been on the side of being tortured and giving up false information, I just don't see how you could justify it. > - breaking with his party again and again to fight for the things he > believes in, and accomplishing many of them. > > - working across the aisle om issues like campaign finance reform, > federal judge appointments, and immigration reform (which will now > pass). As I said in a previous email, I do think that McCain has some accomplishment to his name. Not as much as many might imply, but he's gone out there and done some solid work. 8 years ago I would have had a tough time between McCain and Gore. There was a decent chance I would have voted for McCain in fact as I felt largely betrayed by the Clinton administration, Gore was an underwhelming candidate and I have a profound distaste for Tipper Gore (and her unholy alliance with Joe Lieberman) dating to the culture wars. That being said, I feel like McCain has shit upon most everything I liked about him in the last 4 years. Past glories != current value. > as great a guy as obama is, he has essentially no accomplishments to his name. He does not have the track record of McCain without a doubt. I think he does have some accomplishments to his name, but it is most certainly true that they are not a mile wide and deep. None the less, I look at the candidates available to me and I think the choice is clear for me. Judah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:275748 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
