Oh, since there's 2 Scott's actively participating in this thread, guess I
should specify that it's Stroz and I that have the "they won" "but they
looked like shit" "but they won" "but they looked like shit" "but they won"
"but they looked like shit" discussions weekly.  and sadly, that's pretty
much a verbatim re-enactment of the discussions :)

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> oh, i'm all for playing well.  Scott and I argue this almost weekly.  I'm
> not just content with a win... I want to win "good" so that I feel confident
> that they can also win consistently.
> But your question was "who deserves to win".  That is a question aimed at a
> single game between two teams.  And the answer to that is, the team with the
> most points :)
>
> Whether or not that team will win consistently is a whole different
> discussion.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yes, it is true the team that scores more points deserve to win but how
>> they score their points is very important to me.  I'm looking for
>> repeatable results.
>>
>> If we just looked at the results the analysis would be simple.  My usually
>> stat to look at Passing Yards Per Attempt.  Then look at Adjusted Passing
>> Yards per attempt.
>>
>> The Steelers won the PYA but the Giants won the APYA because APYA
>> subtracts sack yardage.
>>
>> This is high praise for a 2nd year WR that missed most of the first, but I
>> can't remember Steve Smith (the NY version) look so bad.  He let some
>> balls go through his hand.  Lucikly the Giants still had Toomer -
>> professional receiver.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:11 PM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: GIANTS vs cowboys
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > > The oddest part of the game is trying to answer, "Who deserved to win
>> > that
>> > > game?"
>> > > The Giants, were overall, more effective than the Steelers.  But the
>> > > Steelers absolutely dominated the 3rd quarter.  The NY Def really put
>> on
>> > > their big boy pants in the 3rd qt just to be able to hang in despite
>> > being
>> > > on the field for so long.
>> > >
>> > > The team that scored the most points deserved to win.
>> >
>>
>> I would agree with that.
>>
>> I remember a few years back after a Giants/Eagles game.  I think the
>> Giants
>> fumbled 5 times (and turned it over all 5, but still won).  An Eagles fan
>> posted to the Giants newsgroup that a team that turns the ball over 5
>> times
>> doesn't deserve to win.
>>
>> My response was, "does a team that forces 5 turnovers but still score
>> fewer
>> points deserve to win?"
>>
>> One of the few online discussions that I think I actually won.
>>
>> If a team plays like shit but still comes out with more points, it
>> generally
>> means that at some point during the game they played well enough to
>> overcome
>> the parts of the game where they played like shit.
>>
>> --
>> I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
>> wife. And I wish you my kind of success.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 

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