The ONLY stat that counts is the score. Period. Everything else is fluff.
Last time I checked, you don't get a ring for highest average yards per attempt, they give that out for winning games when it counts. No winning the most, but winning when it counts. And I think the Giants have proven they can win when it counts, all other stats be damned. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:22 PM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are right. I was typing really fast cause I only had a short amount > of time between meetings etc. > I shouldn't have written "deserved" More like, if you didn't know the > score or had any scoring stats but all the other stats, who do you think > would have won the game. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 6:39 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: GIANTS vs cowboys > > But it does not account for the run, a big part of a lot of teams defense. > > And I would argue that the best metric is still the score. 100% of the > teams that have scored more points than their opponent have won. To use > any > other metric just seems silly to me. Its liek Wade Phillips last year > saying after the Cowboy slost to the Giants in the playoffs that the > better > team lost. Huh? How's that possible? > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree with you. But that is why AYPA is the best metric I have seen > as > > it has the strongest correlation to real results. Last numbers I've > seen > > is that 70% of the team that wins the AYPA metric is the victor. That > 70% > > is higher than any other single metric. Granted its only one metric but > > if you had to use one, it would be it. > > > > The beauty of AYPA is that it really measures many things. It measures a > > team's OLINE since sack yardage is counted against you, it measures the > > ability of the QB to read the defense correctly and take the most yards > > out there. It measures the WRs ability to run eroutes catch > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:42 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: GIANTS vs cowboys > > > > I find your criteria for determining who 'deserves' to win a game to be > a > > little...off. > > > > Lets say we use your metrics and Team A plays Team B. > > > > Team B has a tremendous pass defense, but they can't stop the run if it > > was > > Steven Hawking without his wheelchair. > > > > Team B comepletely shuts down the passing game, even has negative > yardage > > on > > pass plays taking sacks into account, but Team A runs the ball for 500 > yds > > and 6 TDs. > > > > Do you see how your metrics might be a little flawed? > > > > I would aslo argue that if you average 15 yds per pass play and do not > > score > > more points than your opponent, then you do not deserve to win. > > > > The Giants defense palyed very well, with teh exception of 2 big plays > > that > > both went for TDs). The offense played almsot as well as I expected > > against > > the #1 defense in the league. But, we still scored 19 points against > that > > defense and gained mroe yards than any other tema this season. Maybe > > Jacobs > > wasn't tearing off 10-15 yarders all the time, but he was wearing them > > down, > > and I think that showed late in the game. > > > > The O-line did a great job at protecting Eli - I am not even sure if he > > ever > > even got knocked down. > > > > Lastly, using a metric that solely depends on one facet of the offense > > might > > skew your results a bit. > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Won Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Yes, it is true the team that scores more points deserve to win but > how > > > they score their points is very important to me. I'm looking for > > > repeatable results. > > > > > > If we just looked at the results the analysis would be simple. My > > usually > > > stat to look at Passing Yards Per Attempt. Then look at Adjusted > > Passing > > > Yards per attempt. > > > > > > The Steelers won the PYA but the Giants won the APYA because APYA > > > subtracts sack yardage. > > > > > > This is high praise for a 2nd year WR that missed most of the first, > but > > I > > > can't remember Steve Smith (the NY version) look so bad. He let some > > > balls go through his hand. Lucikly the Giants still had Toomer - > > > professional receiver. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:11 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: GIANTS vs cowboys > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > The oddest part of the game is trying to answer, "Who deserved to > > win > > > > that > > > > > game?" > > > > > The Giants, were overall, more effective than the Steelers. But > the > > > > > Steelers absolutely dominated the 3rd quarter. The NY Def really > > put > > > on > > > > > their big boy pants in the 3rd qt just to be able to hang in > despite > > > > being > > > > > on the field for so long. > > > > > > > > > > The team that scored the most points deserved to win. > > > > > > > > > > I would agree with that. > > > > > > I remember a few years back after a Giants/Eagles game. I think the > > > Giants > > > fumbled 5 times (and turned it over all 5, but still won). An Eagles > > fan > > > posted to the Giants newsgroup that a team that turns the ball over 5 > > > times > > > doesn't deserve to win. > > > > > > My response was, "does a team that forces 5 turnovers but still score > > > fewer > > > points deserve to win?" > > > > > > One of the few online discussions that I think I actually won. > > > > > > If a team plays like shit but still comes out with more points, it > > > generally > > > means that at some point during the game they played well enough to > > > overcome > > > the parts of the game where they played like shit. > > > > > > -- > > > I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love > my > > > wife. 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