There is a major flaw in your thinking here. I'd be willing to agree
that McCain is to the left of many (most even? I don't know)
conservatives. But it is wrong to define the bulk of the political
landscape in terms of the very fringes. By that same argument you
could say that Obama is far to the right of lot of liberals. He's not
going to abolish the military, he's not going to stop all logging in
the US, he's not going to legalize drugs (sadly). But I'm not going to
say that Obama is a right-winger because he doesn't toe the far left
line.

The fringes of the left and the right are small in numbers. I'd
venture to guess that there are about as many people that want to
abolish the military as want to implement a flat tax. But what if 60%
of people in America want Universal Healthcare? What if 70% wanted
full college tuition deduction from taxes? Wouldn't that make those
"centrist" positions? Yeah, they are far to the left of what Dick
Cheney would say. So? Who says that Dick Cheney gets to define what
the middle of the political spectrum is?

There are certainly positions that are "centrist" that I am to the
left of, like Gay Marriage. I'm entirely for Gay Marriage, but I
understand that the majority of the country isn't quite there yet with
me.

I think that Obama will win the election for the precise reason that
people should win elections: he speaks to a larger share of the
country than his opponent and they share his values and approve of his
policies more than his opponent.

That would seem to go a long way to defining what the true "center" is.

Judah

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:03 PM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Based on that I'm going to guess I know what the middle is better than you.
>
> But that wasn't my point. McCain is more to the left than most
> conservatives are comfortable with and Obama more so.  So thinking
> that the middle is between Obama and McCain is off a bit. Which brings
> us back to Obama's claim about the kidnapping. I'm thinking it covers
> more than 10% of the GOP.

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