But a gun by itself is merely a paper weight. It is not until we introduce a human does it become dangerous. The same thing can be said for just about any 'weapon'.
How many people have died from gunshots where a person was not handling the gun when it went off (or just before it went off to cover incidents where someone dropping a gun may have caused it to fire)? I am not saying that there is not a problem, btu maybe the problem is not with tool, but those who wield them. On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I don't necessarily disagree with you Scott, but cars and heart > disease aren't specifically talked about in the Bill of Rights. You > asked why people on the left are so much more keen on the 1st > amendment than the 2nd and I answered that question. > > Words are safer than guns (in individual situations) and more useful > in the long run. Words also have more power for both good and evil, in > the long run, I'd argue which may make them more dangerous than guns > over the course of a long period of time. But in terms of danger in > individual situations, guns are far more dangerous than words. > > Oh and I think there is an assumption that people with guns are better > able to defend themselves than people with unpopular opinions :) > > Judah > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry, I hate to sounf cliche, but I firmly believe guns don't kill > people, > > people kill people. Take the guns away and they will find other ways to > > kill each other. > > > > I can kill as many, or more, people with my car than a gun, yet no one > wants > > to seems to take my car away. Heart disease is a huge killer, maybe we > > should start regulating what people eat and force them to exercise while > we > > are at it. > > > > The problem, as I see it, is not the gun, but the person. > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > I find it interesting that liberals will defend the 1st amendment > until > >> they > >> > are blue in the face, but are willing to throw the next one out the > >> window. > >> > > >> > >> There are two major reasons I see for this. > >> > >> One is that the first amendment is a lot more clearly written than the > >> second. As I'm sure you know, the Supreme Court just had its very > >> first case that directly addressed whether the 2nd amendment applied > >> to individual gun ownership or group ownership (a well regulated > >> militia). That's a long to be debate about the plain text meaning of a > >> part of the constitution. I'm not sure that the most recent decision > >> really settled the matter, but its a start. > >> > >> The second reason is that guns kill people and words don't. I can > >> defend the right of of white supremacists to spout of hateful rhetoric > >> and be sure that the words, odious as they are, aren't going to > >> physically damage anyone I love. There are well established exceptions > >> to the first amendment for speech that directly incites violence, so > >> arguing for all other sorts of unpopular speech is safe if at times > >> nauseating. The margin of error when dealing with guns is not as great > >> as when dealing with words. Words don't accidentally go off in freak > >> accidents, they don't get found and used by kids because parents > >> forgot to lock them up, etc. > >> > >> I'm still a supporter of the 2nd amendment and particularly the right > >> of individuals to bear arms. But yeah, the positive effect and > >> potentially harmful effects of the 1st and 2nd amendments? No contest, > >> the 1st amendment means a heck of a lot more to our society. > >> > >> Judah > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:280028 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
