What interpretation? I have yet to read one that makes sense in English other than the government can create NO LAWS regarding guns, it's a right of the people.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:10 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: questions from the gun control thread > > I don't think he doesn't care about them as much as he has a > different interpretation of the words. I see nothign wrong > with that. Besides, if we all agreed, who would we shoot at? > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > So basically you don't care about the words in or the intent of the > > constitution, same as Gruss. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:38 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: questions from the gun control thread > > > > > > I don't necessarily disagree with you Scott, but cars and heart > > > disease aren't specifically talked about in the Bill of > Rights. You > > > asked why people on the left are so much more keen on the 1st > > > amendment than the 2nd and I answered that question. > > > > > > Words are safer than guns (in individual situations) and > more useful > > > in the long run. Words also have more power for both good > and evil, > > > in the long run, I'd argue which may make them more > dangerous than > > > guns over the course of a long period of time. But in terms of > > > danger in individual situations, guns are far more dangerous than > > > words. > > > > > > Oh and I think there is an assumption that people with guns are > > > better able to defend themselves than people with > unpopular opinions > > > :) > > > > > > Judah > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Scott Stroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > Sorry, I hate to sounf cliche, but I firmly believe guns don't > > > > kill people, people kill people. Take the guns away > and they will > > > > find other ways to kill each other. > > > > > > > > I can kill as many, or more, people with my car than a gun, > > > yet no one > > > > wants to seems to take my car away. Heart disease is a > > > huge killer, > > > > maybe we should start regulating what people eat and > force them to > > > > exercise while we are at it. > > > > > > > > The problem, as I see it, is not the gun, but the person. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Judah McAuley > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Scott Stroz > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> > I find it interesting that liberals will defend the 1st > > > amendment > > > >> > until > > > >> they > > > >> > are blue in the face, but are willing to throw the next > > > one out the > > > >> window. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> There are two major reasons I see for this. > > > >> > > > >> One is that the first amendment is a lot more clearly written > > > >> than the second. As I'm sure you know, the Supreme Court just > > > had its very > > > >> first case that directly addressed whether the 2nd > > > amendment applied > > > >> to individual gun ownership or group ownership (a well > regulated > > > >> militia). That's a long to be debate about the plain text > > > meaning of > > > >> a part of the constitution. I'm not sure that the most recent > > > >> decision really settled the matter, but its a start. > > > >> > > > >> The second reason is that guns kill people and words > don't. I can > > > >> defend the right of of white supremacists to spout of hateful > > > >> rhetoric and be sure that the words, odious as they are, > > > aren't going > > > >> to physically damage anyone I love. There are well established > > > >> exceptions to the first amendment for speech that directly > > > >> incites violence, so arguing for all other sorts of unpopular > > > speech is safe > > > >> if at times nauseating. The margin of error when dealing > > > with guns is > > > >> not as great as when dealing with words. Words don't > > > accidentally go > > > >> off in freak accidents, they don't get found and used by > > > kids because > > > >> parents forgot to lock them up, etc. > > > >> > > > >> I'm still a supporter of the 2nd amendment and > > > particularly the right > > > >> of individuals to bear arms. But yeah, the positive effect and > > > >> potentially harmful effects of the 1st and 2nd amendments? No > > > >> contest, the 1st amendment means a heck of a lot more to > > > our society. > > > >> > > > >> Judah > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:280042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
