I once wore a t-shirt to a Weight Watchers meeting saying 

"Everyone needs to believe in something, I believe I'll have another
cookie".

-Ben


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:54 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> 
> 
> As Norm of Cheers fame said
> 
> "Everyone needs to believe in something, I'll believe I'll 
> have a beer."
> 
> larry
> 
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:46 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> > 
> > 
> > Mikey,
> > 
> > you said 
> > "If I believe that Asp is the best language around"
> > 
> > recall that Cleopatra was bitten by an Asp.
> > so there.
> > 
> > -Ben
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:01 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > At 02:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
> > > >I'm confused now.  You are saying that you can call yourself 
> > > Christian by
> > > >believing in a single common tenet.  Is this correct?  That 
> > > is like me
> > > >saying I am Buhdist because I believe in luck.
> > > >
> > > >That has nothing to do with my question.  I was questioning 
> > > the contention
> > > >that "the messianics" are not Jewish because of the 
> > > DISBELIEF in a single
> > > >Jewish tenet.
> > > 
> > > Its the specific belief. The belief in Jesus as messiah means 
> > > that someone is Christian. The fact that they want to say 
> > > "we're Jews and Christians at the same time" is the thing 
> > > that I'm speaking against. Your either a Jew or a Christian. 
> > > You can't be both. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, 
> > > the son of God, God made flesh, etc. then your of a different 
> > > religion. Belief is the focus here. If I believe that Asp is 
> > > the best language around, can I believe that ColdFusion is 
> > > the best language around? Can there be two bests? No. There 
> > > can only be one best and everything else is less than best. 
> > > You can't be both Jewish in belief and Christian in belief. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >=====
> > > >Russel Madere
> > > >Senior Software Engineer
> > > >Turbo Squid, Inc.
> > > >http://www.turbosquid.com
> > > >
> > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag?
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:47 PM
> > > >> To: CF-Community
> > > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Christians also believe in God. As long as I can 'hook' onto a
> > > >> single belief I can call myself anything I want. Actually, I
> > > >> don't even need that. I can say I'm African American and if it
> > > >> upsets people then they just have to deal with it. 
> Just like the
> > > >> messianics.
> > > >>
> > > >> At 02:41 PM 4/12/02, you wrote:
> > > >> >If you want.  But the point I was making was that not ALL
> > > >> Chritian clerics
> > > >> >believe that Jews don't belive Jesus was the Messiah.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >However, remember the definition of chrisitianity I 
> was taught.
> > > >> Christians
> > > >> >Belive Jesus was the Messiah AND Belive he freed us from 
> > > the Jewish laws.
> > > >> >So if you want to call yourself a Christian and have me 
> > > believe that, you
> > > >> >have to meet that definition.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >=====
> > > >> >Russel Madere
> > > >> >Senior Software Engineer
> > > >> >Turbo Squid, Inc.
> > > >> >http://www.turbosquid.com
> > > >> >
> > > >> >Is your head tag nested within your body tag?
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 PM
> > > >> >> To: CF-Community
> > > >> >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> So basically I can call myself a Christian? I believe 
> > in God and
> > > >> >> that should be enough to claim it.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> >Jewish laws, except for the Messianic Jews.  They believed
> > > >> that Jesus was
> > > >> >> >the Messiah but did not free us from the Jewish laws.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> 
> > > >
> > > 
> > 
> 
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