That is one of the core tenets in the Eucharist. The Pascal Mystery in the Eucharist is another. Jesus as Savior is another.
My read on the Catachism is all of these are encompassed in the Eucharist, both the act (the ascrament) and our actions of living the Eucharist (Christ's covenant with us). ===== Russel Madere Senior Software Engineer Turbo Squid, Inc. http://www.turbosquid.com Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > -----Original Message----- > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:50 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > I'm Roman Catholic and I think Christ being the Messiah is the > center of our faith - not the Eucharist.. > > Howie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Russel Madere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:10 PM > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > To us Roman Catholics the Eucharist is more than liturgical. It is the > > center of our faith. Everything in our worship involves the Eucharistic > > celebration. That was one thing that was recently placed into the > > Catachism. Before then, it was assumed that you knew that if > you were Roman > > Catholic. > > > > ===== > > Russel Madere > > Senior Software Engineer > > Turbo Squid, Inc. > > http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:48 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > > > > Russel- > > > the "core tenet" of you as a Catholic and someone else as a > Baptist both > > > being Christians is that you believe Jesus Christ is the > Messiah. the fact > > > that you as a Catholic and he/she as a Baptist have different > liturgical > > > practices is secondary to that. > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:16 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > > > > > > > So let me ask you this. Because I. as a Catholic, believe > > > > that Christ is > > > > present in the Eucharist when I receive It every Sunday. > > > > Baptist do not > > > > share that CORE, 2000 year old tenet of my faith. Does that > > > > mean to you I, > > > > as a Catholic, and someone else, as a Baptist, cannot both > claim to be > > > > Christian? > > > > > > > > Personally, I feel that those calling themselves Messianic > > > > Jews are really > > > > archaic Christians. A living, religious fossil, so to > speak. I just > > > > resented the immediate condemnation of them as not being > > > > Jewish in any way. > > > > The Early Chrisitian Church celebrated in synagogs and > > > > worshipped in the > > > > Temple. They maintained much of thier Jewish identity, > even after the > > > > Gentiles were admitted to the Church. If it were not for the Roman > > > > persecutions, we probably would still be worshipping that way. > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > Russel Madere > > > > Senior Software Engineer > > > > Turbo Squid, Inc. > > > > http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > > > > > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:01 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > > > > >I'm confused now. You are saying that you can call > > > > yourself Christian by > > > > > >believing in a single common tenet. Is this correct? > > > > That is like me > > > > > >saying I am Buhdist because I believe in luck. > > > > > > > > > > > >That has nothing to do with my question. I was questioning the > > > > > contention > > > > > >that "the messianics" are not Jewish because of the > > > > DISBELIEF in a single > > > > > >Jewish tenet. > > > > > > > > > > Its the specific belief. The belief in Jesus as messiah means > > > > > that someone is Christian. The fact that they want to say "we're > > > > > Jews and Christians at the same time" is the thing that I'm > > > > > speaking against. Your either a Jew or a Christian. You can't be > > > > > both. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, > > > > > God made flesh, etc. then your of a different religion. Belief is > > > > > the focus here. If I believe that Asp is the best language > > > > > around, can I believe that ColdFusion is the best language > > > > > around? Can there be two bests? No. There can only be one best > > > > > and everything else is less than best. You can't be both Jewish > > > > > in belief and Christian in belief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > > >Russel Madere > > > > > >Senior Software Engineer > > > > > >Turbo Squid, Inc. > > > > > >http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > > > > > > > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:47 PM > > > > > >> To: CF-Community > > > > > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Christians also believe in God. As long as I can 'hook' onto a > > > > > >> single belief I can call myself anything I want. Actually, I > > > > > >> don't even need that. I can say I'm African American and if it > > > > > >> upsets people then they just have to deal with it. > Just like the > > > > > >> messianics. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> At 02:41 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > > > > >> >If you want. But the point I was making was that not ALL > > > > > >> Chritian clerics > > > > > >> >believe that Jews don't belive Jesus was the Messiah. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >However, remember the definition of chrisitianity I > was taught. > > > > > >> Christians > > > > > >> >Belive Jesus was the Messiah AND Belive he freed us from the > > > > > Jewish laws. > > > > > >> >So if you want to call yourself a Christian and have me > > > > > believe that, you > > > > > >> >have to meet that definition. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >===== > > > > > >> >Russel Madere > > > > > >> >Senior Software Engineer > > > > > >> >Turbo Squid, Inc. > > > > > >> >http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 PM > > > > > >> >> To: CF-Community > > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> So basically I can call myself a Christian? I believe > > > > in God and > > > > > >> >> that should be enough to claim it. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> >Jewish laws, except for the Messianic Jews. They believed > > > > > >> that Jesus was > > > > > >> >> >the Messiah but did not free us from the Jewish laws. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
