Actually Kevin they think they are jews but NO OTHER JEW, including we non-religious types think they are jews.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:20 AM Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > Would they agree with that, or is that your opinion. I honestly don't > know. The only reason I know of it is my wife has a friend who is a > messianic Jew. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:14 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > Kevin- > but they are not Jews. > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:12 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > Yes, technically they are Christians, however they still incorporate > > Jewish traditions. :) > > > > Kevin > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:09 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > You mean Christians? > > > > At 11:54 AM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > >Don't forget messianic Jews. > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:45 AM > > >To: CF-Community > > >Subject: RE:Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > >Michael, > > > > > >I do not want to start a fight. But I am quite upset. > > > > > >I take strong exception to your use of the phrase "a > > rational rejected > > >by > > >religious Jews". > > > > > >I *am* a religious Jew. > > >But I am *not* an Orthodox Jew, I am a Reform Jew. > > > > > >I recognize there being (at least) three movements in the Jewish > > >religion - > > >Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. I consider all three of > > them valid > > >and > > >their members religious. There are also secular Jews. I am not a > > secular > > >Jew. > > > > > >In my mind, you are a religious Orthodox Jew. I am a religious Reform > > >Jew. > > > > > >Apparently that mode of thinking only works in one direction. > > >This just backs up my previous posts about religious > > discrimination in > > >Israel by Orthodox against other movements. > > > > > ><and, oh by the way, the word is "rationale"> > > > > > >-Ben > > >:-( > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:40 AM > > >> To: CF-Community > > >> Subject: Re: Circumcision article link > > >> > > >> > > >> Actually, a religious person (at least this one) looks at it > > >> and says that its a commandment and I'm doing it because its > > >> a commandment. If science says that the commandment has a > > >> physical effect, then fine and good. The physical effect is > > >> totally secondary to the spiritual effect. > > >> To say that the commandment or every commandment was done for > > >> a physical reason such as health opens the door to denial of > > >> the root of the commandment. Hey, not eating pork was because > > >> of trichinosis. If we cook it right then we wouldn't get the > > >> disease and we can now eat it. Same for all the other > > >> commandments. This is the rational of the reform movement and > > >> a rational rejected by religious Jews. > > >> > > >> At 03:51 AM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > >> >It seems that much of the old testament law, such as > > >> circumcision, what to eat and not to eat, etc., has a good > > >> basis in what is healthy, especailly given the lack of > > >> sanitary conditions of the times. > > >> > > > >> >A religious person might argue that this is God making up > > >> the lack of science of the time to protect people. A > > >> non-believer might argue that this is wise people coming up > > >> religious law to mirror their own observations about what > > >> makes a person sick. Either way, it demonstrates a good deal > > >> of wisdom in the old books. > > >> > > > >> >H. > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > >> >from: "Braver, Ben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> >date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:56:23 -0700 > > >> > > > >> >>Found a link to the original article on circumcision & risk > > >> of cervical > > >> >>cancer - it's in the New England Journal of Medicine: > > >> >>http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/346/15/1105 > > >> >> > > >> >>Apparently, the foreskin is particularly susceptible to > > >> infection from HPV - > > >> >>human papilloma virus - which is linked to cervical cancer. > > >> >> > > >> >>-Ben > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
