I'm Roman Catholic and I think Christ being the Messiah is the center of our faith - not the Eucharist..
Howie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russel Madere" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > To us Roman Catholics the Eucharist is more than liturgical. It is the > center of our faith. Everything in our worship involves the Eucharistic > celebration. That was one thing that was recently placed into the > Catachism. Before then, it was assumed that you knew that if you were Roman > Catholic. > > ===== > Russel Madere > Senior Software Engineer > Turbo Squid, Inc. > http://www.turbosquid.com > > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:48 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > Russel- > > the "core tenet" of you as a Catholic and someone else as a Baptist both > > being Christians is that you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah. the fact > > that you as a Catholic and he/she as a Baptist have different liturgical > > practices is secondary to that. > > -Ben > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:16 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > > > > So let me ask you this. Because I. as a Catholic, believe > > > that Christ is > > > present in the Eucharist when I receive It every Sunday. > > > Baptist do not > > > share that CORE, 2000 year old tenet of my faith. Does that > > > mean to you I, > > > as a Catholic, and someone else, as a Baptist, cannot both claim to be > > > Christian? > > > > > > Personally, I feel that those calling themselves Messianic > > > Jews are really > > > archaic Christians. A living, religious fossil, so to speak. I just > > > resented the immediate condemnation of them as not being > > > Jewish in any way. > > > The Early Chrisitian Church celebrated in synagogs and > > > worshipped in the > > > Temple. They maintained much of thier Jewish identity, even after the > > > Gentiles were admitted to the Church. If it were not for the Roman > > > persecutions, we probably would still be worshipping that way. > > > > > > ===== > > > Russel Madere > > > Senior Software Engineer > > > Turbo Squid, Inc. > > > http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > > > Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:01 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:58 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > > > >I'm confused now. You are saying that you can call > > > yourself Christian by > > > > >believing in a single common tenet. Is this correct? > > > That is like me > > > > >saying I am Buhdist because I believe in luck. > > > > > > > > > >That has nothing to do with my question. I was questioning the > > > > contention > > > > >that "the messianics" are not Jewish because of the > > > DISBELIEF in a single > > > > >Jewish tenet. > > > > > > > > Its the specific belief. The belief in Jesus as messiah means > > > > that someone is Christian. The fact that they want to say "we're > > > > Jews and Christians at the same time" is the thing that I'm > > > > speaking against. Your either a Jew or a Christian. You can't be > > > > both. If you believe that Jesus was the messiah, the son of God, > > > > God made flesh, etc. then your of a different religion. Belief is > > > > the focus here. If I believe that Asp is the best language > > > > around, can I believe that ColdFusion is the best language > > > > around? Can there be two bests? No. There can only be one best > > > > and everything else is less than best. You can't be both Jewish > > > > in belief and Christian in belief. > > > > > > > > > > > > >===== > > > > >Russel Madere > > > > >Senior Software Engineer > > > > >Turbo Squid, Inc. > > > > >http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > > > > > > >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:47 PM > > > > >> To: CF-Community > > > > >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> Christians also believe in God. As long as I can 'hook' onto a > > > > >> single belief I can call myself anything I want. Actually, I > > > > >> don't even need that. I can say I'm African American and if it > > > > >> upsets people then they just have to deal with it. Just like the > > > > >> messianics. > > > > >> > > > > >> At 02:41 PM 4/12/02, you wrote: > > > > >> >If you want. But the point I was making was that not ALL > > > > >> Chritian clerics > > > > >> >believe that Jews don't belive Jesus was the Messiah. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >However, remember the definition of chrisitianity I was taught. > > > > >> Christians > > > > >> >Belive Jesus was the Messiah AND Belive he freed us from the > > > > Jewish laws. > > > > >> >So if you want to call yourself a Christian and have me > > > > believe that, you > > > > >> >have to meet that definition. > > > > >> > > > > > >> >===== > > > > >> >Russel Madere > > > > >> >Senior Software Engineer > > > > >> >Turbo Squid, Inc. > > > > >> >http://www.turbosquid.com > > > > >> > > > > > >> >Is your head tag nested within your body tag? > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> >> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > >> >> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:31 PM > > > > >> >> To: CF-Community > > > > >> >> Subject: RE: Religious Jews (was: Circumcision article link) > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> So basically I can call myself a Christian? I believe > > > in God and > > > > >> >> that should be enough to claim it. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> >Jewish laws, except for the Messianic Jews. They believed > > > > >> that Jesus was > > > > >> >> >the Messiah but did not free us from the Jewish laws. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
