> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vivec [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Israel admits to a war crime.
> 
> 
> So 100 children should die because a terrorist decided to run into a
> building and shoot from it?Or is culpability and co-operation on the
> part of
> the children in the hospital to be assumed?

So... should 100 Israeli children should die because the fuckers shooting
rockets at them are standing on a school? 

> Let's bring this closer to home.
> 
> If a fringe group of white supremacists started shooting up Washington
> from
> the top floor of a hospital and killed several people on the streets
> below,
> would the US government
> order a military strike on that location? Would that be seen as an
> appropriate response?

False analogy and an argument from emotion.

If a fringe group of White supremacists did as you said:

1) The situation would be contained and controllable outside of the
immediate vicinity.  You know that we control the streets, the buildings and
populace surrounding the hospital - setting up a perimeter of snipers, for
example, would be safe and easy.  This can't be said in this situation:
Israeli soldiers cannot construct a safe perimeter so safer, but less
precise, more damaging, measures are taken.

2) The people in the hospital, in your hypothetical, would almost certainly
be completely unaware of the situation at hand and would almost definitely
be in opposition to the attackers.  In the case of Hamas we've seen schools,
hospitals and residential buildings being used as weapons storage and
launching platforms with full cooperation and government support.

3) All combatants would be Americans - in other words this would be an
internal police action, not a military action.

4) the situation would be unprecedented: time would naturally be taken to
explore the situation and react accordingly.  However the situation in
Israel has been going on for decades.  The Israeli position on these
situations is clearly defined and unwavering: shoot at us and we will shoot
at you.  Yet the Palestinians still - again, after decades - are making the
conscious decision to engage in areas with highly vulnerable civilian
populations.

5) Your White Supremacists would be rarities, oddities - they would be
self-funded and self equipped rather than government equipped and government
sponsored.

You're also be disingenuous by purposefully lessening the impact of your
example: a group of people randomly "shooting up" an area and killing
several people is very different than militarily armed combatants with RPGs
in a prolonged conflict.

A better analogy might be:

What if combatants from Vancouver started attacking northern Washington from
within Canadian civilian centers?  Although you have evidence that the
combatants are being equipped and supported by the Canadian government they
publically deny this and block efforts to investigate.  These attack, which
ebb and flow, are punctuated by acts of more traditional terrorism (car
bombs, suicide bombers, etc).  Your population is scared, beset and this
continues for 40 years.

Now... how would you deal with this situation?

Jim Davis


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