Larry,

I suffer from bi-polar depression and no matter how depressed I get,
which isn't very often as I have medication for it.  But even before I
was diagnosed and took the medication I never felt the desire to embrace
irrational beliefs.  I just don't buy it, sorry.  Just look at any court
case where any type of mental disability or incapacity is involved.  The
defense has an expert on their side saying that it's a problem and the
prosecution has an expert saying that it's not.  When it comes to matter
of the mind, which "expert" do you believe?  In this case, with my
personal experience, I don't buy the depression bit. 

Kevin


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:00 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: From the OMFG files

Kevin, 

It is not as simple nor as black or white as you want it to be. There
are
considerable differences between the two. In my masters thesis, I found
a
very strong correlation between depression and the endorsement of
irrational
beliefs. Those who scored high on standardized measures of depression
also
tended to score high on established measures of depression. For fanatics
like Mohammed Atta there are very different cognitive mechanisms
involved,
yes they may acribed to a series of irrational beliefs, but there are
other
factors that influence the situation more. Its not as simplistic as you
keep
saying it is. 

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 8:39 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: From the OMFG files
> 
> 
> So by that logic, the men who flew the planes on 9/11 were 
> depressed or
> had some other mental incapacity because they did if for bin 
> Laden just
> as this kid said he did?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Owens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 10:17 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: From the OMFG files
> 
> Whether he is depressed is a question for the trial to 
> answer.  It could
> reasonably be argued that his irrational behavior (if you accept it as
> irrational, as I do), is a sign of depression or other mental
> incapacity.
> 
> H.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:32 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: From the OMFG files
> 
> 
> Ok...my whole point is we don't know if he was depressed.  You are all
> assuming he was.  No maybe I am wrong, but I haven't read anywhere he
> was depressed.  I have only read that he did it in support of 
> Bin Laden.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:30 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: From the OMFG files
> 
> Lets looks at the facts as we know them
> 
> A depressed kid, was prescribed a drug that make kids depressed.
> 
> Maybe the kid would have done it anyway, who knows. But it is 
> known that
> 
> this drug causes problems. People have testified in congress about it.
> 
> The doctor screwed up.
> 
> At 11:20 AM 4/17/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >How about the company that built the building for putting it where it
> is
> >now?  Or the maker of the airplane?  The flight instructor? ;)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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