On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > OK, let's take it a step further. In your Utopia...a police officer > observes someone driving in a manner consistent with a drunk driver, but, > because this driver did not break any laws, and in your Utopia, police only > catch criminals and not actually try to prevent crime, he does not do > anything. Said driver than runs a red light, striking another car and > killing the driver. That is OK in your book? The potentially drunk guy has > more of a right to not be questioned by the police than the innocent victim > does to live?
Do you think a red-light camera prevents more crime than a uniformed officer, in a marked car, on the side of the road? Prevention is an interesting deal. I like to think the onus of prevention should be more on society, than the onus of the law. But that's like saying people stop at stop signs because they don't want to get wrecked into, vs. stopping only because they fear a ticket. What was that movie about stopping criminals before they had actually committed any crimes? You don't see what's wrong with that idea? > I bet you are against drunk driver checkpoints too. I wonder how many lives > those have saved over the years. Your train of thought seems to only take > the criminal's rights into account, what about everyone else's? Yes, what *about* everyone's rights? What about the Constitution? You think it's cool to randomly stop people and ask them for their papers? I actually ranted about this, last time I was stopped at one-- *not once* was I asked if I'd been drinking. What is the point of these stops, again? > How can police possibly prevent crime if you would have them not > question/investigate anyone who was already not found guilty? There have > been more than one occasion where I was pulled over because the officer > thought I was driving drunk (but I was tired or distracted or some such) and > I have no issue with that. Why? Because I know they were just looking out > for the safety of others. There's really too much to cover here (already "found guilty" -- you have some misconceptions about how things work, I feel), but I'll repeat what I said to the officer who asked "would you rather your wife and child there, be at risk of being hit by a drunk driver?" To which I answered "as awful as it would be, a horrible, horrible thought-- yes, I would rather live in a free country than a safe one." Do your fsck'n job, man, get out there and catch people actually breaking the law. These "fishing trips" are /lazy/ and un-American. Funny how people who rage against things like Socialism (not saying you specifically) are such proponents for some of the worst aspects to come out of some of the attempts we've seen so far. Or maybe that's something besides socialism... man, those KGB jokes were funny, funny. Eh. I love this discussion, and I can't wait to respond to Gruss, but I gotta do some shopping first. Until later! -- I had rather be an oyster than a man, the most stupid and senseless of animals. George B ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:291794 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
