Such an amusing idiot when it comes to these matters Gruss. Obama has not ruled out a single payer solution. He said it was his preferred version if he was building from the ground up but he thought that in the current climate it wouldn't probably be politically feasible. And, if you actually paid attention, you'd notice that I hadn't actually been arguing for a single payer solution either but rather what is known as a "public option" which is a government backed insurance plan, ala medicare, that produces a national insurance risk pool.
Instead you are saying that all the smart people, i.e. Obama, dismiss single payer while acknowledging that they are saying it is the best possible option. Brilliant! Seriously, I think that single payer is the way to go probably long term. But perhaps not. As I said before, maybe private insurance will come up with a way to meet the goals we are setting out. If so, awesome. Otherwise, I expect people to give a public option a go. Not all the difficult honestly. You and Rob and (to a lesser extent) Scott have argued that single payer is inherently stupid and that doctors are only in it for money and would never back systematic healthcare reform with the government as a primary insurance agent. I've shown that every single one of those accusations is a bald face lie. If you'd like me to broaden out from primary care physicians to other groups, fine. But the fact of the matter is that I've shown the crap you are flinging is just that, so calm down, think about actual data and deal. There are lots of great questions about how we should restructure health care in this country. We've briefly touched on some of them in this thread, like the worries that a dominant insurance payer (private or public) could artificially manipulate payments. That's a real debate. The shit you're flinging isn't worth the monkey its thrown by. Judah On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Larry wrote: >> In terms of health care, I think the government has had a better record than >> the private industry. > > Obama, via a cogent review of the facts, has rightly determined that > single-payer is not an option. > > Thus what you propose will never happen under Obama and certainly not > under a Republican. > > So even if I thought you knew what you were talking about, there'd > still be no debate because what you're suggesting doesn't have a > chance for at least a decade. > > If you want to know why it won't work I can try to tell you. > Hopefully your implication that a hammer will work for all tasks will > resolve itself with some thought. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:296686 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
