I tend to look at the source. Numbers can be twisted one way or the other we all know this. So who's study do you lend more weight to, a Political Action Group, or the EPA. I tend to, believe it or not, trust the Government here. The EPA isn't trying to get Congress to approve legislation.
-----Original Message----- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:45 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee Of course, then there is this... http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/05/01/bad.air/index.html About half of all Americans live in areas where levels of smog are unhealthy, the American Lung Association said in a report released Wednesday. The annual "state of the air" study, which crunches government data on ozone, smog's main ingredient, finds more than 142 million Americans live in areas where ozone levels could endanger people's health. "We have found there actually has been an increase of 18 percent in the areas that are rated "F" -- which is unhealthy, and that's a result of failure to take action over the last several years," said John Kirkwood, a spokesman for the group. According to the report, the five smoggiest metropolitan areas: Los Angeles, California; Bakersfield, California; Fresno, California; Visalia, California; and Houston, Texas. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/02 10:48PM >>> The oil dependency argument is a myth, which is why the Saudis made it clear that they won't use oil as a weapon -- the know it won't work. It didn't work in the 1970s and it won't work now, especially now since world oil reserves are larger and more diverse now than 30 years ago. As for running out of oil any time soon -- see my earlier link I posted about oil field recharging and this: http://sepwww.stanford.edu/sep/jon/world-oil.dir/lynch/worldoil.html As for pollution: Actually, pollution has decreased ... this from the EPA: "Nationally, air quality concentration data taken from thousands of monitoring stations across the country has continued to show improvement since the 1980's for CO, Pb, NO2, O3, PM, and SO2. In fact, all the years throughout the 1990's have shown better air quality than any of the years in the 1980's. This steady trend of improvement resulted despite the fact that weather conditions in the 1990's were generally more conducive to higher pollution levels, such as ground-level ozone formation." http://www.epa.gov/air/aqtrnd97/brochure/highlts.html So, as there have been more and more SUVs there has been less and less pollution. Again, political correctness speaks out and falls short of the facts. H. > -----Original Message----- > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 2:42 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee > > > My definition of an Energy Crisis: a society dependent on energy that is > provided from an area plagued with war and religious fanatics. > Dependent on > energy that could quite possibly be turned off like a light switch. > > And yes, your SUV does directly affect me. I don't have any scientific > evidence on hand, but common sense tells me that a vehicle which burns a > significantly higher amount of fuel will also emit a higher amount of > pollution. We DO know that combusting fossil fuels causes pollution right? > This is pollution that we all have to breath. I myself prefer oxygen. > Another way that it directly affects me is right from my paycheck. Your > vehicle causes more damage to the roads and creates more traffic. > Guess who > pays Buck to sit on his ass on the weekends, making double-time, to "work" > on those roads? > > Again, the last thing I want are more laws that restrict you from > being the > true american you so desire to be, but don't think I'm not going > to call you > a gluttonous ass for choking my friends and giving our country a bad > image... just because you want to. > > Adam. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:15 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee > > > > > > Energy crisis? Where? Gas is dirt cheap now? $1.29 a gallon? I am > > considerate for others. I don't cut people off, or run them over. > > Whether I choose to drive a suburban or an insight has no > > direct affect > > on you. > > > > There is big difference, littering is illegal, driving a suburban is > > not, at least not yet anyway. Give the environmentalists time though. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:05 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee > > > > Kevin, the last thing I want to do is restrict you from being a true > > american or whatever. All I'm saying is that people should try to be > > considerate for others. You know that your vehicle choice affects > > others. > > You may not care about the energy crisis that is just now > > beginning, but > > others might. > > > > When I go camping, I know I probably won't get caught if I leave my > > garbage > > all over; but in consideration for others, I choose to clean it all up > > anyway. > > > > Adam. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:50 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Jeep Grand Cherokee > > > > > > > > > "And this seems to me a responsible use for the vehicle." > > > > > > Nothing personal, but who made you the authority on deeming what's > > > responsible and what's not? I use my Explorer (wife has > > the Suburban) > > > for my daily commute. I don't consider it irresponsible. > > > Sure I could > > > make the same commute in a tin can but I choose to drive that > > > car. The > > > beauty of American, freedom of choice. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Beth F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 3:50 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Jeep Grand Cherokee > > > > > > > I remember Beth, when you were all over me about taking > > my truck to > > > the > > > > UK, but it's a tie to my old life, not an ego thing with me > > > ... I love > > > > my truck like I love my pets. You may think this is really > > > scary, but > > > I > > > > actually pet my truck and give it occasional hugs. My wheels have > > > always > > > > had a very special meaning in my life, they mean my independence. > > > > > > LOL! I know this about you, and I understand this, although > > > I only hug > > > and > > > talk to my bikes. I do occasionally pet the car when the dog > > > has taken > > > a > > > particularly large chunk out of the upholstery. > > > > > > > > > > Sure it's big, and extravagant, but it's mine. Or, mine > > and Philip's > > > > now. :) And since mass transit is so easy, I'll be saving > > > hundreds of > > > > dollars in gas bills, keeping the truck just for outiings. > > > > > > And this seems to me a responsible use for the vehicle. > > > > > > As I said, I have no problem with folks owning SUV's - I own > > > one too. I > > > do > > > have problems with folks poopoohing the environmental issues > > > our country > > > faces and I do think that bragging over whose SUV is bigger > > > is incredbly > > > stupid....and incredibly AMERICAN!! > > > > > > But you aren't of the sort. None of that was directed at you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
