I am not sure, but I am sure that its all part of God's plan ;-) On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> wrote: > > And North America isn't. Where does that leave us? > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Duh...Larry..it was noted...in the Bible! >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Is there any independent archeological or historical evidence of these >>> miracles? For instance something like the Israelites leaving Egypt >>> after the Egyptian firstborns were killed, turning the Nile to blood, >>> plagues of frogs, the death of the Pharaoh etc would have merited at >>> least some mention in any of the stone monuments of the period. There >>> are none. Similarly the death of the Assyrians army at the siege of >>> Jerusalem again should have gained some records, given how many clay >>> tablets they wrote. Again no mention. Both the Romans and the Jewish >>> priesthood were very compulsive record keepers, yet they did not note >>> any unusual phenomenon around the time of the crucifixion. >>> >>> With all these very impressive events you'd have thought that someone >>> else would have noted something at least. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>He was talking about the miracles that were performed in >>>>>order for Moses to free the Jews from the egyptians. Yet when it came >>>>>to ww2 and the concentration camps, no miracles were seen. Yet the >>>>>concentration camps were more of a malevolent threat to Jews than were >>>>>the Egyptians. >>>> >>>> Not sure what the point is here. It certainly doesn't say anything about >>>> whether God exists or does not, whether miracles happen or not, just >>>> because he did not step in here. Some may argue that he certainly did >>>> through the examples of incredible courage of people that helped hide Jews >>>> and otherwise risk their lives. You will find most, if not all, of the >>>> people in these cases were led by their religious convictions. >>>> >>>> Biblical miracles were not just wily-nily things. They happened during >>>> very specific times and granted to a very small number of people - major >>>> prophets. They were always part of times of revelation from God to his >>>> people. Sure, we have people claim miracles all the time, whether it's >>>> healing a sickness or seeing the Virgin Mary in their toast. These aren't >>>> what most Biblical scholars consider true miracles such as seen with the >>>> Moses, Elijah or Jesus...miracles mainly performed to call attention to >>>> the revelations given from God. We are obviously not in a time of >>>> revelation any more...Jesus gave us what we needed to know. So we cannot >>>> expect to see Biblical-scale miracles. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Mary Jo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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