I was wondering haha. I'm not getting into Ronnie Raygun with you again. We know where we both stand, and I'd say outside of immigration and national security we're actually pretty close. You'd prefer more gov't social programs, I'd rather see them be private or at state level but we both see the need, see what I mean?
-----Original Message----- From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:24 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc ummm no because those who attend the funeral have a responsibility not to kill these reprensible demonstrators, reprehensible as they are. Note that much as I despise Reagan, I refrained from saying so just after he died. Some people on this list were actually grieving, and for all I know still are, but it's no longer the guy's funeral, so at some point you have to make the historical judgement that yo, this guy was bought and paid for. I think the same of Bush, but I am not going to go dance on his grave at his funeral. So oko, I agree that there is a responsibility to shut up. But I am not sure how you can enforce that without infringing on free speech. I am not sure you can. PS -- I had to throw in the gratuitous Reagan insult to keep Tim from fainting when I agreed with him <g> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > As much as I despise Reagan and the Bush family, I would also say that > people shouldn't be allowed to protest their funerals either. The family's > right to privacy and their freedom of (and from) the religious beliefs of > others trumps all of that. I think it does amount to yelling fire in a > crowded people. One of these days they are going to mess with the wrong > people and a bunch of folks are going to get killed...probably including > innocent bystanders. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:10 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere > d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc > > > mmm responsibility. > > But they have the right to be irresponsible and even despicable. It > would be responsible to refrain, but... if the Nazi party can march > through a Jewish neighborhood, if Christians can harrass distraught > young women seeking abortions, then these wackos have a right to do > this. It does not amount to yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Quite. > > The best solution I have heard so far involves a motorcycle group that > surrounds the family with its engines gunned. And presumably > collectively look too big and mean to rush. > > The thing is, when does speech become *too* out there? I can't tell > you how many people told me I was despicable for calling George W. the > antichrist and a tool. And yet, I submit, events have largely proved > me right, so even speech that upsets people has value, yanno? > > By the way, Ronal Reagan was also a tool. But I refrained from saying > so during his interminable funeral. > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> It's not the right decision. What the court is saying the Westboro > Baptist >> Church's right's are more important that the right of a family to mourn in >> peace. An individual's right is more important that the right of a > church. >> This is bullshit it is what it is. While they do have a right to be > heard, >> they also have the responsibility to do so when it is appropriate. A >> funeral is not the appropriate place to protest with signs that have > nothing >> to do with this individual who served honorably in our armed forces. If >> they ant to protest outside the pentagon, or outside the Whitehouse, then >> that is their right. Where this court has failed is one day they are > going >> to cross the wrong veteran's family and someone is going to come out guns >> blazing. While I would call it karma, that would have been very >> preventable. >> >> >> Not only do we need to put up a collection, but we also need to call for > the >> impeachment of this judge. >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:43 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: RE:_Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere >> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc >> >> >> Its unpopular but the right decision. >> >> Sent from my MOTOBLUR smartphone on AT&T >> >> -----Original message----- >> From: Eric Roberts <[email protected]> >> To: cf-community <[email protected]> >> Sent: Mon, Mar 29, 2010 21:10:49 GMT+00:00 >> Subject: RE:_Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere >> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc >> >> >> WTF? *shakes head in disgust* >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:48 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Speaking of the Supreme Court: Marine's_father ord ered to pay >> court costs to Westboro Baptist Churc >> >> >> > http://mddailyrecord.com/2010/03/29/marines-father-ordered-to-pay-court-cost >> s-to-westboro-baptist-church/ >> >> Lawyers for the father of a Marine who died in Iraq and whose funeral was >> picketed by anti-gay protesters say a court has ordered him to pay the >> protesters' appeal costs. >> >> Lawyers for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., also say he is struggling to come > up >> with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court. >> ... >> >> >> Phelps is a tool. >> (full disclosure - it's one of my company's papers) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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