umm I am actually not in favor of programs for the sake of programs. But sometimes you do need a government. For national security for instance, and to keep the steepness of the playing field from becoming too ridiculous. But immigration, I suspect we do disagree there.... so let's not at least not right now. I have too much other more productive stuff to do and so do you probably.....
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:11 AM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > I was wondering haha. > > I'm not getting into Ronnie Raygun with you again. We know where we both > stand, and I'd say outside of immigration and national security we're > actually pretty close. You'd prefer more gov't social programs, I'd rather > see them be private or at state level but we both see the need, see what I > mean? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:24 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere > d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc > > > ummm no because those who attend the funeral have a responsibility not > to kill these reprensible demonstrators, reprehensible as they are. > > Note that much as I despise Reagan, I refrained from saying so just > after he died. Some people on this list were actually grieving, and > for all I know still are, but it's no longer the guy's funeral, so at > some point you have to make the historical judgement that yo, this guy > was bought and paid for. > > I think the same of Bush, but I am not going to go dance on his grave > at his funeral. So oko, I agree that there is a responsibility to shut > up. But I am not sure how you can enforce that without infringing on > free speech. > > I am not sure you can. > > PS -- I had to throw in the gratuitous Reagan insult to keep Tim from > fainting when I agreed with him <g> > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> As much as I despise Reagan and the Bush family, I would also say that >> people shouldn't be allowed to protest their funerals either. The > family's >> right to privacy and their freedom of (and from) the religious beliefs of >> others trumps all of that. I think it does amount to yelling fire in a >> crowded people. One of these days they are going to mess with the wrong >> people and a bunch of folks are going to get killed...probably including >> innocent bystanders. >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dana [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:10 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: _Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere >> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc >> >> >> mmm responsibility. >> >> But they have the right to be irresponsible and even despicable. It >> would be responsible to refrain, but... if the Nazi party can march >> through a Jewish neighborhood, if Christians can harrass distraught >> young women seeking abortions, then these wackos have a right to do >> this. It does not amount to yelling fire in a crowded theatre. Quite. >> >> The best solution I have heard so far involves a motorcycle group that >> surrounds the family with its engines gunned. And presumably >> collectively look too big and mean to rush. >> >> The thing is, when does speech become *too* out there? I can't tell >> you how many people told me I was despicable for calling George W. the >> antichrist and a tool. And yet, I submit, events have largely proved >> me right, so even speech that upsets people has value, yanno? >> >> By the way, Ronal Reagan was also a tool. But I refrained from saying >> so during his interminable funeral. >> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It's not the right decision. What the court is saying the Westboro >> Baptist >>> Church's right's are more important that the right of a family to mourn > in >>> peace. An individual's right is more important that the right of a >> church. >>> This is bullshit it is what it is. While they do have a right to be >> heard, >>> they also have the responsibility to do so when it is appropriate. A >>> funeral is not the appropriate place to protest with signs that have >> nothing >>> to do with this individual who served honorably in our armed forces. If >>> they ant to protest outside the pentagon, or outside the Whitehouse, then >>> that is their right. Where this court has failed is one day they are >> going >>> to cross the wrong veteran's family and someone is going to come out guns >>> blazing. While I would call it karma, that would have been very >>> preventable. >>> >>> >>> Not only do we need to put up a collection, but we also need to call for >> the >>> impeachment of this judge. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Timothy Heald [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 4:43 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: RE:_Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere >>> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc >>> >>> >>> Its unpopular but the right decision. >>> >>> Sent from my MOTOBLUR smartphone on AT&T >>> >>> -----Original message----- >>> From: Eric Roberts <[email protected]> >>> To: cf-community <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 29, 2010 21:10:49 GMT+00:00 >>> Subject: RE:_Speaking_of_the_Supreme_Court:_Marine's_father_ord_ere >>> d_to_pay_court_costs_to_Westboro_Baptist_Churc >>> >>> >>> WTF? *shakes head in disgust* >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 3:48 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Speaking of the Supreme Court: Marine's_father ord ered to pay >>> court costs to Westboro Baptist Churc >>> >>> >>> >> > http://mddailyrecord.com/2010/03/29/marines-father-ordered-to-pay-court-cost >>> s-to-westboro-baptist-church/ >>> >>> Lawyers for the father of a Marine who died in Iraq and whose funeral was >>> picketed by anti-gay protesters say a court has ordered him to pay the >>> protesters' appeal costs. >>> >>> Lawyers for Albert Snyder of York, Pa., also say he is struggling to come >> up >>> with fees associated with filing a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court. >>> ... >>> >>> >>> Phelps is a tool. >>> (full disclosure - it's one of my company's papers) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? 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