That's what happens when you steal another's land I guess. The original occupants tend to not be too happy with that. Actually Larry, no...the IDF are not angels compared to anything. Lets look at the numbers from September 2000-January 2003 as published by Eretz Yisroel (http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/mostly.html). During that time 700 Israelis were killed. During that same period 2000 Palestinians were killed.
According to http://globalavoidablemortality.blogspot.com/2006/05/post-1967-palestinian-i sraeli-deaths.html Since 1967 1,133 Israelis were killed and 5,144 Palestinians were killed According to B'Tselem (http://btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp) from September 2000 to December 2008, 4836 Palestinians were killed by Israelis and 479 Israelis were killed by Palestinians. The most telling of these is the number of Palestinians killed that were not taking part in hostilities: 2192. Another 882 are unknown as to whether they were part of any hostilities. 955 Palestinian children were killed as compared to 123 Israeli children. With that kind of disparity, I would hardly call that angelic...more appropriately, demonic... You can also go look up the Massacre committed by IDF forces under Ariel Sharon at Sabra and Shatilla (on 16 Dec 1982, the UN GA declared this an act of genocide)...or how about the terrorist attacks under Irgun and Hagenah? Eric -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:50 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: 5 of the 9 bodies returned to turkey were all headshots. In comparison to what? Hamas (who has a tendency to kill any local opposition), The Egyptian army, the Syrian forces, Lybia, Jordan, Saudi Arabia? Go to Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International and look up those organizations. For instance look up the Hama massacre. Upwards of 20,000 were massacred by the Syrian army in 1982, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre. In comparison the IDF are angels. So Eric when you use the term thugs you do not know what you are talking about. Also lets look at the situation, Israel is a small country surrounded by larger far more populous countries dedicated to the destruction of Israel. This has meant that in order to survive Israel has decided that for every action against it by its enemies it will hit back harder and at many more targets. Its about the only thing that has kept Israel generally safe since they instituted the policy. Remember from 1967 until around 1982 there was a war of attrition between Egypt and Israel in the Sinai. After Israel started that policy the hundreds of small attacks every year by Egypt, Syria, from the Lebanese territories, and Jordan stopped. Its only been groups like Hezbollah and Hamas that have continued their attacks. Its a hard path, but it has kept Israel safe. What do you expect them to do lie down, roll over and wait to die? On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > That's not rose color glasses...that is called expecting the military to act > professionally and honorably and not like a bunch of thugs. On the other > hand, I don't expect that from the IDF anyway...thuggery seems to be their > way of doing things > > Eric. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Medic [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 9:43 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: 5 of the 9 bodies returned to turkey were all headshots. > > > True. > Though I'd say the onus is on the military to act with honour when it has > the power to destroy civilians. > > /me adjusts rose coloured glasses > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> I am not sure you can say either side was douche bagless on this one. >> >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Medic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > You're right, they were asking for it. >> > >> > Just like the Yellow Rose of China asked for it standing in front of the >> > tank. >> > >> > At some point you need to make a stand. >> > >> > When my time comes I hope people aren't cheering for the douche bags. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:31 AM, G Money <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Hey, join a flotilla and roll the dice. Good luck. >> >> >> >> Israeli commandos are high on the list of people I try not to fuck > with. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Medic <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Why is everyone on Israel's d1ck? I dunna ken why. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:38 AM, G Money <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:29 AM, Vivec <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Head shots indicate: >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 1) The shot was made at close range >> >> > > > 2) In a scuffle and a disorganised mob soldiers do not have time >> to >> >> > make >> >> > > > head shots. >> >> > > > 3) The Soldiers were shooting to kill. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > When you shoot, you shoot to kill. >> >> > > >> >> > > Why are you surprised that some of the best trained and battle >> hardened >> >> > > military commandos in the history of the world...would be accurate >> >> shots? >> >> > > I'm more surprised that they missed 4 heads :) >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > The suburbs have no charms to soothe >> >> > > The restless dream of youth >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320238 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
