I think you need to learn what anti-Semitic means besides as a bullshit label given to anyone who disagrees with the illegal actions of the state of Israel. Funny, someone who is of Jewish descent is anti-Semitic...what a dumbass...
Eric -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international waters. If my analogy only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of a Zionist, then yours only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of an anti-semite. In your 'similarity' I assume that the Israelis are the 'non-native population'. If that is true, how come you do not stand up and fight for Native Americans as you do for those in Gaza? Like you always do when confronted with logic, you back pedal, cloud the argument with bullshit and start the name calling. I am really beginning to think your hatred of Israel stems from getting picked on by a bunch of Jewish kids when you were younger. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > The argument is that because, 2000 years ago, there was a state of Israel, > the Israeli's thus have a claim to the land over the Palestinians, who have > lived there for the past 2000 years. In comparison, the Native Americans, > who lived on the land 100-400 years ago, have a claim to the land and should > be reinstituted as the rulers of this land. That would actually be a > stronger claim than the Israeli one. So people who support Israel would be > the ones that would need to support giving back the lands in North and South > America to the Indians...not the other way around. > > You analogy only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of Zionism. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:50 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > waters. > > > Is it safe to assume you feel the same way about the US? > > Funny how we do not see you rallying for the rights of Native > Americans like you do for those in Gaza. > > Funny, when you look at my analogy from the 100,000 foot overview, row > boat and aircraft carriers are both boats. So, maybe there are the > same. Except when you get into the details. That is where your analogy > fails. > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The big one is a non-native population moves in and takes the land for the >> native people and then continues to discriminate against and oppress them. >> I think that pretty much covers it. More like comparing and aircraft >> carrier with an aircraft carrier. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:37 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >> waters. >> >> >> See my row boat/aircraft carrier analogy. They have many similarities >> as well. And many more differences. >> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Many people, even outside the muslim world, think there are many >>> similarities. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:31 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>> waters. >>> >>> >>> I think its a far stretch to compare Israel to apartheid in South Africa. >>> >>> Are there some similarities? Sure. Just like an row boat has some >>> similarities with an air craft carrier. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I was listening to a guy on a news broadcast talk about how the >>>> anti-apartheid movement in South Africa started very similarly...it was >> on >>>> the fringe with some pretty radical actions that brought the injustice >> out >>>> of the shadows and into the daylight for the world to see. One the cat >>> was >>>> out of the bag, the global movement snowballed until it was so huge that >>> it >>>> became a force of nature that the government of SA couldn't stop. I >> think >>>> that is starting to happen in regard to Israeli treatment of the >>>> Palestinians, particularly in Gaza. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:22 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>> waters. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think a lot of people can agree that there may have been better (or >>>> smarter) ways to accomplish this. >>>> >>>> I honestly do not think this was their intention. I think their >>>> intention was to provoke Israel, nothing else. They succeeded in that. >>>> And Israel succeeded in over reacting to the provocation. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The better action is to break the blockade and shed as much light on it >>> as >>>>> possible....otherwise nothing will improve. Just going through normal >>>>> channels, which people don't trust in the first place...is continuing >> the >>>>> status quo. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: G Money [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:05 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>>> waters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As well you should be. Eric, you should be too. >>>>> >>>>> If these people's #1 concern was helping the residents of Gaza, they >>> would >>>>> have sent their supplies through the existing channels to ensure they >>> made >>>>> it to the people who are suffering, then challenged the blockade in > some >>>>> other fashion. >>>>> >>>>> If, instead, their #1 agenda item was to create a situation with Israel >>>> that >>>>> shined a light on it's blockade, they would have tried to get their >> goods >>>>> through the blockade. >>>>> >>>>> Guess which method they chose. >>>>> >>>>> Just something to keep in mind. There's no altruism here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, in other words, they have an agenda. And people have this >>>>>> incredible ability to do whatever it takes to push their agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just as leery of these folks' account of the events as I am of >>>>>> Israel's >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I would say they have more of a reason to just be truthful as they >> are >>>>>> > trying to add legitimacy to their claims and gain world support to >> end >>>>>> the >>>>>> > illegal blockade of Gaza. I would say this especially in the light >> of >>>>>> > Israeli claims that have been shown to be false and manipulated. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:37 AM >>>>>> > To: cf-community >>>>>> > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >> international >>>>>> > waters. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I understand your position there, but is it not a bit naive to think >>>>>> > that those on the other side do not have an agenda and to accept >>>>>> > everything they say as the full, complete, unbiased account of the >>>>>> > events? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Do you really think that CNN, or any other news agency, does not > have >>>>>> > an agenda or a bias? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> It would depend on the source. If it came from the Israeli >>>>>> > government...no. >>>>>> >> I don't trust anything coming out of that government. They have >>>>> already >>>>>> >> demonstrated that they are willing to lie and modify things to make >>>>> look >>>>>> >> favorable to them. I kinda look at them like I look at Fox News. > I >>>>>> will >>>>>> >> give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove me wrong. Israel >>>> has >>>>>> > lied >>>>>> >> and misled with their press releases and thus proven me wrong. You >>>> get >>>>>> > one >>>>>> >> chance. Destroy that trust and you are hard pressed to get it > back. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:23 AM >>>>>> >> To: cf-community >>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>> international >>>>>> >> waters. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Somehow I do not think you would be so quick to accept 'testimony' >>>>>> >> from 3 Israeli soldiers as 'corroboration'. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> Eyewitness accounts that tell the same story...that's called >>>>>> >> corroboration. >>>>>> >>> Add that to the fact that we know for a fact that the Israelis >>>>> doctored >>>>>> >>> footage. Makes the passengers much more of a reliable witness to >>> the >>>>>> >>> events. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:06 AM >>>>>> >>> To: cf-community >>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>> international >>>>>> >>> waters. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> And I am sure the news producer from Al Jazeera and those involved >>>> are >>>>>> >>> giving a completely unbiased accounts of what happened. >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> Some accounts of passengers on the aid ship...these are all >> British >>>>>> >>>> citizens... >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKHcwrak0 >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gp8ECrDQLg&feature=watch_response >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5VzDH8SDU&feature=related >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>> From: denstar [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:48 PM >>>>>> >>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>>> international >>>>>> >>>> waters. >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Maureen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> It's especially bothersome that so much of the current rhetoric >> is >>>>>> >>>>> based on disinformation. I found this article particularly >>>>>> >>>>> enlightening. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/04/MNR51DPCVM.DTL >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> You don't say! >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> :Den >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>> >>>> The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. >> You >>>>>> >>>> cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only > in >>>>>> >>>> such a way that it catches you. >>>>>> >>>> Soren Kierkegaar >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320903 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
