As a matter of fact, I now recall a thread where you claimed to be Pagan. Which is it Eric? Are you Jewish or are you Pagan? Pretty sure they would be mutually exclusive - though I will admit upfront, I am not very knowledgeable of Paganism.
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > I do not recall a time, until now, that you had stated that you were Jewish. > > There is nothing else you have ever posted, that I have seen, that > would lead anyone to believe that you are Jewish. > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I think you need to learn what anti-Semitic means besides as a bullshit >> label given to anyone who disagrees with the illegal actions of the state of >> Israel. Funny, someone who is of Jewish descent is anti-Semitic...what a >> dumbass... >> >> Eric >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:17 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >> waters. >> >> >> If my analogy only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of a >> Zionist, then yours only makes sense when viewed through the glasses >> of an anti-semite. >> >> In your 'similarity' I assume that the Israelis are the 'non-native >> population'. If that is true, how come you do not stand up and fight >> for Native Americans as you do for those in Gaza? >> >> Like you always do when confronted with logic, you back pedal, cloud >> the argument with bullshit and start the name calling. >> >> I am really beginning to think your hatred of Israel stems from >> getting picked on by a bunch of Jewish kids when you were younger. >> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The argument is that because, 2000 years ago, there was a state of Israel, >>> the Israeli's thus have a claim to the land over the Palestinians, who >> have >>> lived there for the past 2000 years. In comparison, the Native Americans, >>> who lived on the land 100-400 years ago, have a claim to the land and >> should >>> be reinstituted as the rulers of this land. That would actually be a >>> stronger claim than the Israeli one. So people who support Israel would >> be >>> the ones that would need to support giving back the lands in North and >> South >>> America to the Indians...not the other way around. >>> >>> You analogy only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of Zionism. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:50 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>> waters. >>> >>> >>> Is it safe to assume you feel the same way about the US? >>> >>> Funny how we do not see you rallying for the rights of Native >>> Americans like you do for those in Gaza. >>> >>> Funny, when you look at my analogy from the 100,000 foot overview, row >>> boat and aircraft carriers are both boats. So, maybe there are the >>> same. Except when you get into the details. That is where your analogy >>> fails. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> The big one is a non-native population moves in and takes the land for >> the >>>> native people and then continues to discriminate against and oppress >> them. >>>> I think that pretty much covers it. More like comparing and aircraft >>>> carrier with an aircraft carrier. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:37 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>> waters. >>>> >>>> >>>> See my row boat/aircraft carrier analogy. They have many similarities >>>> as well. And many more differences. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Many people, even outside the muslim world, think there are many >>>>> similarities. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:31 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>>> waters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think its a far stretch to compare Israel to apartheid in South >> Africa. >>>>> >>>>> Are there some similarities? Sure. Just like an row boat has some >>>>> similarities with an air craft carrier. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I was listening to a guy on a news broadcast talk about how the >>>>>> anti-apartheid movement in South Africa started very similarly...it was >>>> on >>>>>> the fringe with some pretty radical actions that brought the injustice >>>> out >>>>>> of the shadows and into the daylight for the world to see. One the cat >>>>> was >>>>>> out of the bag, the global movement snowballed until it was so huge >> that >>>>> it >>>>>> became a force of nature that the government of SA couldn't stop. I >>>> think >>>>>> that is starting to happen in regard to Israeli treatment of the >>>>>> Palestinians, particularly in Gaza. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:22 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>>>> waters. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think a lot of people can agree that there may have been better (or >>>>>> smarter) ways to accomplish this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I honestly do not think this was their intention. I think their >>>>>> intention was to provoke Israel, nothing else. They succeeded in that. >>>>>> And Israel succeeded in over reacting to the provocation. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The better action is to break the blockade and shed as much light on >> it >>>>> as >>>>>>> possible....otherwise nothing will improve. Just going through >> normal >>>>>>> channels, which people don't trust in the first place...is continuing >>>> the >>>>>>> status quo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: G Money [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:05 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>>>>> waters. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As well you should be. Eric, you should be too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If these people's #1 concern was helping the residents of Gaza, they >>>>> would >>>>>>> have sent their supplies through the existing channels to ensure they >>>>> made >>>>>>> it to the people who are suffering, then challenged the blockade in >>> some >>>>>>> other fashion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If, instead, their #1 agenda item was to create a situation with >> Israel >>>>>> that >>>>>>> shined a light on it's blockade, they would have tried to get their >>>> goods >>>>>>> through the blockade. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guess which method they chose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just something to keep in mind. There's no altruism here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, in other words, they have an agenda. And people have this >>>>>>>> incredible ability to do whatever it takes to push their agenda. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am just as leery of these folks' account of the events as I am of >>>>>>>> Israel's >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I would say they have more of a reason to just be truthful as they >>>> are >>>>>>>> > trying to add legitimacy to their claims and gain world support to >>>> end >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> > illegal blockade of Gaza. I would say this especially in the light >>>> of >>>>>>>> > Israeli claims that have been shown to be false and manipulated. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:37 AM >>>>>>>> > To: cf-community >>>>>>>> > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>> international >>>>>>>> > waters. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I understand your position there, but is it not a bit naive to >> think >>>>>>>> > that those on the other side do not have an agenda and to accept >>>>>>>> > everything they say as the full, complete, unbiased account of the >>>>>>>> > events? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Do you really think that CNN, or any other news agency, does not >>> have >>>>>>>> > an agenda or a bias? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> It would depend on the source. If it came from the Israeli >>>>>>>> > government...no. >>>>>>>> >> I don't trust anything coming out of that government. They have >>>>>>> already >>>>>>>> >> demonstrated that they are willing to lie and modify things to >> make >>>>>>> look >>>>>>>> >> favorable to them. I kinda look at them like I look at Fox News. >>> I >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> >> give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove me wrong. >> Israel >>>>>> has >>>>>>>> > lied >>>>>>>> >> and misled with their press releases and thus proven me wrong. >> You >>>>>> get >>>>>>>> > one >>>>>>>> >> chance. Destroy that trust and you are hard pressed to get it >>> back. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:23 AM >>>>>>>> >> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>>> international >>>>>>>> >> waters. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Somehow I do not think you would be so quick to accept 'testimony' >>>>>>>> >> from 3 Israeli soldiers as 'corroboration'. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Eyewitness accounts that tell the same story...that's called >>>>>>>> >> corroboration. >>>>>>>> >>> Add that to the fact that we know for a fact that the Israelis >>>>>>> doctored >>>>>>>> >>> footage. Makes the passengers much more of a reliable witness to >>>>> the >>>>>>>> >>> events. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:06 AM >>>>>>>> >>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>>>> international >>>>>>>> >>> waters. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> And I am sure the news producer from Al Jazeera and those >> involved >>>>>> are >>>>>>>> >>> giving a completely unbiased accounts of what happened. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> Some accounts of passengers on the aid ship...these are all >>>> British >>>>>>>> >>>> citizens... >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKHcwrak0 >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gp8ECrDQLg&feature=watch_response >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5VzDH8SDU&feature=related >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> >>>> From: denstar [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:48 PM >>>>>>>> >>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>>>>> international >>>>>>>> >>>> waters. >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Maureen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> It's especially bothersome that so much of the current rhetoric >>>> is >>>>>>>> >>>>> based on disinformation. I found this article particularly >>>>>>>> >>>>> enlightening. >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/04/MNR51DPCVM.DTL >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> You don't say! >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> :Den >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>> The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. >>>> You >>>>>>>> >>>> cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only >>> in >>>>>>>> >>>> such a way that it catches you. >>>>>>>> >>>> Soren Kierkegaar >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320909 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
