You are good at the bullshit... -----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:36 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international waters.
Funny how you only questioned the 'back pedaling' and not the name calling or clouding the issue with bullshit. BTW - I do not consider these to be mutually exclusive, you have shown an amazing talent to include all three of these traits in a single post. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > Where did I backpedal? I think I already explained the Native American > thing... > > I am one of those Jewish kids dumbass... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:17 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > waters. > > > If my analogy only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of a > Zionist, then yours only makes sense when viewed through the glasses > of an anti-semite. > > In your 'similarity' I assume that the Israelis are the 'non-native > population'. If that is true, how come you do not stand up and fight > for Native Americans as you do for those in Gaza? > > Like you always do when confronted with logic, you back pedal, cloud > the argument with bullshit and start the name calling. > > I am really beginning to think your hatred of Israel stems from > getting picked on by a bunch of Jewish kids when you were younger. > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> The argument is that because, 2000 years ago, there was a state of Israel, >> the Israeli's thus have a claim to the land over the Palestinians, who > have >> lived there for the past 2000 years. In comparison, the Native Americans, >> who lived on the land 100-400 years ago, have a claim to the land and > should >> be reinstituted as the rulers of this land. That would actually be a >> stronger claim than the Israeli one. So people who support Israel would > be >> the ones that would need to support giving back the lands in North and > South >> America to the Indians...not the other way around. >> >> You analogy only makes sense when viewed through the glasses of Zionism. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:50 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >> waters. >> >> >> Is it safe to assume you feel the same way about the US? >> >> Funny how we do not see you rallying for the rights of Native >> Americans like you do for those in Gaza. >> >> Funny, when you look at my analogy from the 100,000 foot overview, row >> boat and aircraft carriers are both boats. So, maybe there are the >> same. Except when you get into the details. That is where your analogy >> fails. >> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The big one is a non-native population moves in and takes the land for > the >>> native people and then continues to discriminate against and oppress > them. >>> I think that pretty much covers it. More like comparing and aircraft >>> carrier with an aircraft carrier. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:37 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>> waters. >>> >>> >>> See my row boat/aircraft carrier analogy. They have many similarities >>> as well. And many more differences. >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Many people, even outside the muslim world, think there are many >>>> similarities. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:31 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>> waters. >>>> >>>> >>>> I think its a far stretch to compare Israel to apartheid in South > Africa. >>>> >>>> Are there some similarities? Sure. Just like an row boat has some >>>> similarities with an air craft carrier. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I was listening to a guy on a news broadcast talk about how the >>>>> anti-apartheid movement in South Africa started very similarly...it was >>> on >>>>> the fringe with some pretty radical actions that brought the injustice >>> out >>>>> of the shadows and into the daylight for the world to see. One the cat >>>> was >>>>> out of the bag, the global movement snowballed until it was so huge > that >>>> it >>>>> became a force of nature that the government of SA couldn't stop. I >>> think >>>>> that is starting to happen in regard to Israeli treatment of the >>>>> Palestinians, particularly in Gaza. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:22 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>>> waters. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think a lot of people can agree that there may have been better (or >>>>> smarter) ways to accomplish this. >>>>> >>>>> I honestly do not think this was their intention. I think their >>>>> intention was to provoke Israel, nothing else. They succeeded in that. >>>>> And Israel succeeded in over reacting to the provocation. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> The better action is to break the blockade and shed as much light on > it >>>> as >>>>>> possible....otherwise nothing will improve. Just going through > normal >>>>>> channels, which people don't trust in the first place...is continuing >>> the >>>>>> status quo. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: G Money [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:05 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>>>> waters. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As well you should be. Eric, you should be too. >>>>>> >>>>>> If these people's #1 concern was helping the residents of Gaza, they >>>> would >>>>>> have sent their supplies through the existing channels to ensure they >>>> made >>>>>> it to the people who are suffering, then challenged the blockade in >> some >>>>>> other fashion. >>>>>> >>>>>> If, instead, their #1 agenda item was to create a situation with > Israel >>>>> that >>>>>> shined a light on it's blockade, they would have tried to get their >>> goods >>>>>> through the blockade. >>>>>> >>>>>> Guess which method they chose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just something to keep in mind. There's no altruism here. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, in other words, they have an agenda. And people have this >>>>>>> incredible ability to do whatever it takes to push their agenda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am just as leery of these folks' account of the events as I am of >>>>>>> Israel's >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I would say they have more of a reason to just be truthful as they >>> are >>>>>>> > trying to add legitimacy to their claims and gain world support to >>> end >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > illegal blockade of Gaza. I would say this especially in the light >>> of >>>>>>> > Israeli claims that have been shown to be false and manipulated. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:37 AM >>>>>>> > To: cf-community >>>>>>> > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>> international >>>>>>> > waters. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I understand your position there, but is it not a bit naive to > think >>>>>>> > that those on the other side do not have an agenda and to accept >>>>>>> > everything they say as the full, complete, unbiased account of the >>>>>>> > events? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Do you really think that CNN, or any other news agency, does not >> have >>>>>>> > an agenda or a bias? >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> It would depend on the source. If it came from the Israeli >>>>>>> > government...no. >>>>>>> >> I don't trust anything coming out of that government. They have >>>>>> already >>>>>>> >> demonstrated that they are willing to lie and modify things to > make >>>>>> look >>>>>>> >> favorable to them. I kinda look at them like I look at Fox News. >> I >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> >> give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove me wrong. > Israel >>>>> has >>>>>>> > lied >>>>>>> >> and misled with their press releases and thus proven me wrong. > You >>>>> get >>>>>>> > one >>>>>>> >> chance. Destroy that trust and you are hard pressed to get it >> back. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:23 AM >>>>>>> >> To: cf-community >>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>> international >>>>>>> >> waters. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Somehow I do not think you would be so quick to accept 'testimony' >>>>>>> >> from 3 Israeli soldiers as 'corroboration'. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Eyewitness accounts that tell the same story...that's called >>>>>>> >> corroboration. >>>>>>> >>> Add that to the fact that we know for a fact that the Israelis >>>>>> doctored >>>>>>> >>> footage. Makes the passengers much more of a reliable witness to >>>> the >>>>>>> >>> events. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:06 AM >>>>>>> >>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>>> international >>>>>>> >>> waters. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> And I am sure the news producer from Al Jazeera and those > involved >>>>> are >>>>>>> >>> giving a completely unbiased accounts of what happened. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> Some accounts of passengers on the aid ship...these are all >>> British >>>>>>> >>>> citizens... >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKHcwrak0 >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gp8ECrDQLg&feature=watch_response >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5VzDH8SDU&feature=related >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> >>>> From: denstar [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:48 PM >>>>>>> >>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>>>>> international >>>>>>> >>>> waters. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Maureen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> It's especially bothersome that so much of the current rhetoric >>> is >>>>>>> >>>>> based on disinformation. I found this article particularly >>>>>>> >>>>> enlightening. >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/04/MNR51DPCVM.DTL >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> You don't say! >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> :Den >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>> The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. >>> You >>>>>>> >>>> cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only >> in >>>>>>> >>>> such a way that it catches you. >>>>>>> >>>> Soren Kierkegaar >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320910 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
