The big one is a non-native population moves in and takes the land for the native people and then continues to discriminate against and oppress them. I think that pretty much covers it. More like comparing and aircraft carrier with an aircraft carrier.
-----Original Message----- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:37 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international waters. See my row boat/aircraft carrier analogy. They have many similarities as well. And many more differences. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > Many people, even outside the muslim world, think there are many > similarities. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:31 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international > waters. > > > I think its a far stretch to compare Israel to apartheid in South Africa. > > Are there some similarities? Sure. Just like an row boat has some > similarities with an air craft carrier. > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I was listening to a guy on a news broadcast talk about how the >> anti-apartheid movement in South Africa started very similarly...it was on >> the fringe with some pretty radical actions that brought the injustice out >> of the shadows and into the daylight for the world to see. One the cat > was >> out of the bag, the global movement snowballed until it was so huge that > it >> became a force of nature that the government of SA couldn't stop. I think >> that is starting to happen in regard to Israeli treatment of the >> Palestinians, particularly in Gaza. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:22 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >> waters. >> >> >> I think a lot of people can agree that there may have been better (or >> smarter) ways to accomplish this. >> >> I honestly do not think this was their intention. I think their >> intention was to provoke Israel, nothing else. They succeeded in that. >> And Israel succeeded in over reacting to the provocation. >> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> The better action is to break the blockade and shed as much light on it > as >>> possible....otherwise nothing will improve. Just going through normal >>> channels, which people don't trust in the first place...is continuing the >>> status quo. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: G Money [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:05 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>> waters. >>> >>> >>> As well you should be. Eric, you should be too. >>> >>> If these people's #1 concern was helping the residents of Gaza, they > would >>> have sent their supplies through the existing channels to ensure they > made >>> it to the people who are suffering, then challenged the blockade in some >>> other fashion. >>> >>> If, instead, their #1 agenda item was to create a situation with Israel >> that >>> shined a light on it's blockade, they would have tried to get their goods >>> through the blockade. >>> >>> Guess which method they chose. >>> >>> Just something to keep in mind. There's no altruism here. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> So, in other words, they have an agenda. And people have this >>>> incredible ability to do whatever it takes to push their agenda. >>>> >>>> I am just as leery of these folks' account of the events as I am of >>>> Israel's >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > I would say they have more of a reason to just be truthful as they are >>>> > trying to add legitimacy to their claims and gain world support to end >>>> the >>>> > illegal blockade of Gaza. I would say this especially in the light of >>>> > Israeli claims that have been shown to be false and manipulated. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> > Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:37 AM >>>> > To: cf-community >>>> > Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in international >>>> > waters. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I understand your position there, but is it not a bit naive to think >>>> > that those on the other side do not have an agenda and to accept >>>> > everything they say as the full, complete, unbiased account of the >>>> > events? >>>> > >>>> > Do you really think that CNN, or any other news agency, does not have >>>> > an agenda or a bias? >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> It would depend on the source. If it came from the Israeli >>>> > government...no. >>>> >> I don't trust anything coming out of that government. They have >>> already >>>> >> demonstrated that they are willing to lie and modify things to make >>> look >>>> >> favorable to them. I kinda look at them like I look at Fox News. I >>>> will >>>> >> give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove me wrong. Israel >> has >>>> > lied >>>> >> and misled with their press releases and thus proven me wrong. You >> get >>>> > one >>>> >> chance. Destroy that trust and you are hard pressed to get it back. >>>> >> >>>> >> -----Original Message----- >>>> >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:23 AM >>>> >> To: cf-community >>>> >> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in > international >>>> >> waters. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Somehow I do not think you would be so quick to accept 'testimony' >>>> >> from 3 Israeli soldiers as 'corroboration'. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Eyewitness accounts that tell the same story...that's called >>>> >> corroboration. >>>> >>> Add that to the fact that we know for a fact that the Israelis >>> doctored >>>> >>> footage. Makes the passengers much more of a reliable witness to > the >>>> >>> events. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 11:06 AM >>>> >>> To: cf-community >>>> >>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >> international >>>> >>> waters. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> And I am sure the news producer from Al Jazeera and those involved >> are >>>> >>> giving a completely unbiased accounts of what happened. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Eric Roberts >>>> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Some accounts of passengers on the aid ship...these are all British >>>> >>>> citizens... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYKHcwrak0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gp8ECrDQLg&feature=watch_response >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5VzDH8SDU&feature=related >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> From: denstar [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:48 PM >>>> >>>> To: cf-community >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Israel attacks and kills peace activists in >>> international >>>> >>>> waters. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Maureen wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> It's especially bothersome that so much of the current rhetoric is >>>> >>>>> based on disinformation. I found this article particularly >>>> >>>>> enlightening. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/06/04/MNR51DPCVM.DTL >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You don't say! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> :Den >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> The truth is a snare: you cannot have it, without being caught. You >>>> >>>> cannot have the truth in such a way that you catch it, but only in >>>> >>>> such a way that it catches you. >>>> >>>> Soren Kierkegaar >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:320885 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
