So instead of spending money on filtering software, let a monitor, a
real person, keep a check on what people are doing.  If it gets out of
hand then they could ask the patron to stop or ask them to tone it down.
Most people who go to libraries are pretty civil and would understand,
I don't think it would be a huge issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 1:17 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: First Amendment Wins Again

I think that argument is completely silly.

How much of your and my tax dollars are we willing to spend to
ineffectively limit access to porn from library computers. Cause it is
going to take more dollars than I am willing to spend to completely
block this sort of things at a library. And I think that money can be
better spent.

Having watched the level of technical competence in the kids using the
computers at the library, there is very little that can be done to truly
limit access.  The kids I've watched are as good or better than I am in
using gateways, reflectors, etc to get around the blocks that were in
place at my town's library.

What I did see was that legitimate uses of the computer for scholastic
research was blocked by the not so smart filtering software they had
installed. (A real world example I witnessed - a girl trying to do a
paper on protein vs fat in a proper diet was blocked from looking for
"chicken breasts")

Rather than trying to block access to pornographic materials on the
library computers, instead just place the computers with the monitors
turned out into the general space, use Opera, and turn off popups.

As for all the computers being used to access porn, and thereby limiting
access for legitimate purposes - I have never been to a library where
the staff was not well aware of who was using the computers for what,
and excersized plenty of control over who and how long.

Just my opinion,
Jerry Johnson



>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/31/02 12:47PM >>>
My point was that a library does not store pornographic materials.  I
pay for my library through taxes.  Just as we don't spend tax
dollars on filling the library shelves with porn we should not provide
access to porn either.  What if all the machines are tied up
with porno surfers while others can't do legitimate research?  What if
my kid is walking by a machine that has porn on the screen?
I'm sorry, but my taxes should not be used for this nonsense.

Maybe all libraries should have a separate porn room for that kind of
thing but leave the rest of us out of it.

Howie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: First Amendment Wins Again


> You are not being forced to look at it. Equal access. Porn filters
also
> filter out such important sites as breast cancer information, artwork,
> political sites (e.g., net nanny edited out the Democratic and
Republican
> National Party sites), etc. Not just some site that shows some t and
A.
>
> Who decides what is acceptable and what is not. What about political
beliefs
> or unpopular opinions. Are they to be censored next?
>
> larry
>
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