"But as far as I can tell the debt ceiling stance is ideology wrapped in stupidity and very dangerous stupidity at that. You dont even seem to be arguing that."
Wrong, wrong, wrong. I am saying that the ideology on both sides is stupid. "Your point seems to be solely that 'your guys do it too' --- that might be a good point at a time when they are..." You've missed the point completely. My point is that they all do it. Pointing fingers at one party is stupid since both are corrupt. J - Transcript (Anderson Cooper 360, 7/28/11): COOPER: "What happened? It looked like things were moving in the right direction for Speaker Boehner earlier today. They had the test vote. It went big. What happened?" BORGER: He ran up against freshmen who don't owe him anything, Anderson. They were elected outside of the establishment, and honestly a lot of them don't care if they get reelected. COOPER: (coughing) BORGER: They believe they were sent to Congress to make government smaller and, duhh, to cut the deficit, and this is what they intend to do -- and they believe that the Boehner bill is not strong enough because they understand that, at some point, there's going to have to be a compromise. So they want the House to have the strongest possible bargaining position that it can have. COOPER: Gloria, it seems when you talk to some they don't care necessarily about being reelected. BORGER: (incredulous) No! They don't! These are -- COOPER: Which is actually kind of refreshing, I gotta say. BORGER: Well, it is, but -- BUT! COOPER: (chuckling) It is a big "but." CHUCK TODD: Boehner ... Cantor ... and McCarthy were ... linked ... in this. This isn't necessarily about John Boehner not being able to corral these folks. The question is could any Republican speaker have corralled these votes at this time. Here's the issue they had: They can't buy them off. They don't want earmarks, they don't care about their committee assignments -- and many of these newcomers didn't get there raising a lot of money anyway so being promised fundraising all that doesn't work. It may be refreshing on one hand, but it makes it that much harder to try to arm-twist and get this vote count to happen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:341116 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
