Larry i know that there have always been people that were marginalized, and that nothing is or has been perfect, but it was like an pendulum, excess and abuses would be rolled back, and the status quo was a more free country than anywhere else in the world.
Those historic abuses, were labeled as such, and were often illegal in nature. Now it's being codified into law. Use of military force against civilians had not been COMMON by any means, you want to see common look to the USSR, China, Chile's past, things like that. using the word Common cheapens your point. Has it happened, yes, but not frequently, and almost always with consequences. Whats happening now is no longer the slowly creeping expansion of central powers, but the rapidly expanding hand of the police state. Also, I'm not aware if you know, but the overreaction of people like McCarthy has proven to be in response to a very real threat, backed up by KGB and Stasi documentation from that time period. The communists were here and they were doing everything they could to undermine our government. Additionally those unions you speak of were the tools of those self same communists. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > Turning out to be a different country? Well Tim the stuff you've > mentioned has always been used by the government in this country. > > Arbitrary arrest and confinement - common well before the > revolutionary war and since. > > Active spying on citizens - just look at the anti-union efforts since > the 1890's, or the anti-communist efforts since the 1920's or the > peace demonstrators in the 6'w 70's 80's 90's and into the 2000's. > > use of military force on civilians - again that was very common since > the revolutionary war. > > Fact is that this has never been the country you've imagined. If > you're one of the groups that the government or the powerful deem a > threat then your constitutional rights have never really mattered. > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I've thought about doing so, and said as much on the list. > > > > Looked at Costa Rica, they seemed to have a pretty open and tolerant > > government, but you know what, I just can't do it. For all it's faults > > this is my homeland, my nation, and if and when things go bad I need to > be > > here to at least try and help set things right. > > > > I just wonder how long it's going to be before people decide that their > > complaints aren't being addressed and it leads to violence. > > > > It won't take much, Chicago or Charlotte could be the spark if they screw > > it up bad enough. That could be the very thing they are looking for to > > really clamp down, who knows. > > > > My old Airborne Daddy, Gen Hugh Shelton (Delta force, Special Forces, > 82nd > > Airborne and one time Chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff, and on the > > Hillary Clinton campaign which was weird) admitted in his book and on Jon > > Stewert that prior to the invasion of Iraq when they were lookinf for > > justification that a member of the Bush administration had put forward > the > > idea of having a U2 spy plane fly low and slow over Iraq in order to get > it > > shot down and provoke the invasion. He freaked out and told the person > (he > > won't say who it was), sure as soon as we train you to fly it. > > > > False Flag operations have been used time and again in history. > > > > This is turning into a very different country than the one I was born in. > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Erika L. Rich <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > >> That's it. I'm done. I'm going to Central America, and I'm living on a > >> coconut tree farm where I'm going to collect sea shells and paint banana > >> leaves for the tourists. You all can send me postcards. > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > That is owned by the French and operated in Switzerland. The Swiss > gave > >> up > >> > on their banking anonymity stuff long ago, and we know the French are > >> part > >> > of NATO and work with both U.S. intelligence and law enforcement. > >> > > >> > I wonder what the encryption looks like? > >> > > >> > Of course NSA has cracked tons of stuff and can brute force much more. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:350347 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
