The use of the army has been common throughout the 19th century - think Utah and the suppression of the Mormons, and the use of the Army in Colorado suppressing a miner's strike. Federal marshals have also been used in West Vriginia strikes etc. Into the 20th century, there's the suppression of the Veteran's march and encampment in DC - that was quite brutal but what do you expect from General MacArthur. Its far more common that you assume.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:39 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: > > Larry i know that there have always been people that were marginalized, and > that nothing is or has been perfect, but it was like an pendulum, excess > and abuses would be rolled back, and the status quo was a more free country > than anywhere else in the world. > > Those historic abuses, were labeled as such, and were often illegal in > nature. Now it's being codified into law. > > Use of military force against civilians had not been COMMON by any means, > you want to see common look to the USSR, China, Chile's past, things like > that. using the word Common cheapens your point. Has it happened, yes, > but not frequently, and almost always with consequences. > > Whats happening now is no longer the slowly creeping expansion of central > powers, but the rapidly expanding hand of the police state. > > Also, I'm not aware if you know, but the overreaction of people like > McCarthy has proven to be in response to a very real threat, backed up by > KGB and Stasi documentation from that time period. The communists were > here and they were doing everything they could to undermine our > government. Additionally those unions you speak of were the tools of those > self same communists. > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> Turning out to be a different country? Well Tim the stuff you've >> mentioned has always been used by the government in this country. >> >> Arbitrary arrest and confinement - common well before the >> revolutionary war and since. >> >> Active spying on citizens - just look at the anti-union efforts since >> the 1890's, or the anti-communist efforts since the 1920's or the >> peace demonstrators in the 6'w 70's 80's 90's and into the 2000's. >> >> use of military force on civilians - again that was very common since >> the revolutionary war. >> >> Fact is that this has never been the country you've imagined. If >> you're one of the groups that the government or the powerful deem a >> threat then your constitutional rights have never really mattered. >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:07 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > I've thought about doing so, and said as much on the list. >> > >> > Looked at Costa Rica, they seemed to have a pretty open and tolerant >> > government, but you know what, I just can't do it. For all it's faults >> > this is my homeland, my nation, and if and when things go bad I need to >> be >> > here to at least try and help set things right. >> > >> > I just wonder how long it's going to be before people decide that their >> > complaints aren't being addressed and it leads to violence. >> > >> > It won't take much, Chicago or Charlotte could be the spark if they screw >> > it up bad enough. That could be the very thing they are looking for to >> > really clamp down, who knows. >> > >> > My old Airborne Daddy, Gen Hugh Shelton (Delta force, Special Forces, >> 82nd >> > Airborne and one time Chairman of the joint Chiefs of Staff, and on the >> > Hillary Clinton campaign which was weird) admitted in his book and on Jon >> > Stewert that prior to the invasion of Iraq when they were lookinf for >> > justification that a member of the Bush administration had put forward >> the >> > idea of having a U2 spy plane fly low and slow over Iraq in order to get >> it >> > shot down and provoke the invasion. He freaked out and told the person >> (he >> > won't say who it was), sure as soon as we train you to fly it. >> > >> > False Flag operations have been used time and again in history. >> > >> > This is turning into a very different country than the one I was born in. >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Erika L. Rich <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> That's it. I'm done. I'm going to Central America, and I'm living on a >> >> coconut tree farm where I'm going to collect sea shells and paint banana >> >> leaves for the tourists. You all can send me postcards. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM, LRS Scout <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> > That is owned by the French and operated in Switzerland. The Swiss >> gave >> >> up >> >> > on their banking anonymity stuff long ago, and we know the French are >> >> part >> >> > of NATO and work with both U.S. intelligence and law enforcement. >> >> > >> >> > I wonder what the encryption looks like? >> >> > >> >> > Of course NSA has cracked tons of stuff and can brute force much more. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:350358 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
