Don't you think at that point, it's time to change your mind and realize that maybe this isn't so bad after all? I agree with Larry on this. If you think it is wrong, then no, you shouldn't be making use of it. It's like Michelle Bachmann railing against farm subsidies while her family has been receiving lots of money through farm subsidies without a peep...no turning the money away...they gladly accepted it and brought the checks to the bank.
------------------------------------ Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer [email protected] tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com ------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: GMoney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:46 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Paul Ryan quietly requests Obamacare money You looking for a bumper sticker, or a discussion :) I am not defending Ryan, so you can relax your defensive posture. I'm just asking if it's ever non-hypocritical to engage in an activity or make use of something that you have railed against, because you feel you have no other choice at the time in order to reach a goal? Again,I don't htink that's what Ryan did in this case...just wondering if you think it's possible....or must principles trump ALL...at all times..lest you be a hypocrite? That's a pretty tall order. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons <[email protected]>wrote: > > In other words do as I say not as I do. > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:38 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No, to help people it's ok to be hypocritical, if that's the only > > way you can do it......well...maybe not OK...but perhaps understandable. > > > > And again, i don't think it's hypocritical to be against something, > > but still use it if you have to. I HATE the TSA searches at the > > airport, but > if > > i want to fly on a plane, i have to subject myself to them. Does > > that > make > > me a hypocrite? > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons > ><[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> So to gain political points back home its OK for him to be hypocritical. > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:21 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > I see that side of the argument too. > >> > > >> > But at some point, morality and the real world collide. if your > >> > constituents NEED something, something as important as a medical > >> > building.....how long do you stand by your principles, and at > >> > what > cost > >> to > >> > the people you represent? > >> > > >> > At some point do you say: 'This whole fucking thing SUCKS, and > >> > I'm > still > >> > against it, but as of today, the only way i can help my people, > >> > is to request funds blah blah' ?? > >> > > >> > I'm probably giving Ryan WAYYYYYY too much credit, and I doubt it > >> > went > >> down > >> > like this. But i can see a real life scenario where this would > >> > be....understandable, i guess. > >> > > >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson > >> ><[email protected] > >> >wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> I find the cupcake analogy wrong. let me try one closer to how I > >> >> see > it. > >> >> > >> >> I am a vegan. i think all that is wrong with this country and > >> >> the world is people eating meat. > >> >> > >> >> I dont even want to talk to people who do. they are all bad bad > people. > >> >> > >> >> what's that? you made some veal? and is that kobe beef in the tartar? > >> >> no, i've never tried whale meat. > >> >> > >> >> well, since you already made it.... > >> >> > >> >> The rhetoric specifically used by Ryan is a MORAL argument. > >> >> > >> >> So either he holds to his moral beliefs or he doesn't. To me it > >> >> is > that > >> >> simple. > >> >> > >> >> If he had made other arguments, based on "best for the country, > >> >> but not evil", then I could see accepting the money, but not > >> >> based on his arguments. > >> >> > >> >> (and btw, I am not a vegan. although I think I may have ate one > >> >> once) > >> >> > >> >> >> Uh huh, and i'd like to repeal every part of the $2 billion > stealth > >> >> >> helicopter deal, including the cupcake...so i can get my > >> >> >> cupcake > >> >> somewhere > >> >> >> else. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I'm not a Ryan defender, but let's just keep our heads > >> >> >> screwed on > >> here. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354587 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
