While I dislike Ryan's philosophy (his worship of the pseudo-fascist ideological religion of Ayn Rand makes my skin crawl) I will say at least he did not directly benefit from this, aside from bringing home the pork that is. BTW didn't Ryan rail against pork and earmarks as well? Am I seeing a pattern here?
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don't you think at that point, it's time to change your mind and realize > that maybe this isn't so bad after all? I agree with Larry on this. If you > think it is wrong, then no, you shouldn't be making use of it. It's like > Michelle Bachmann railing against farm subsidies while her family has been > receiving lots of money through farm subsidies without a peep...no turning > the money away...they gladly accepted it and brought the checks to the bank. > > ------------------------------------ > Three Ravens Consulting > Eric Roberts > Owner/Developer > [email protected] > tel: 630-486-5255 > fax: 630-310-8531 > http://www.threeravensconsulting.com > ------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: GMoney [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 10:46 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Paul Ryan quietly requests Obamacare money > > > You looking for a bumper sticker, or a discussion :) > > I am not defending Ryan, so you can relax your defensive posture. I'm just > asking if it's ever non-hypocritical to engage in an activity or make use of > something that you have railed against, because you feel you have no other > choice at the time in order to reach a goal? > > Again,I don't htink that's what Ryan did in this case...just wondering if > you think it's possible....or must principles trump ALL...at all times..lest > you be a hypocrite? That's a pretty tall order. > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> In other words do as I say not as I do. >> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:38 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > No, to help people it's ok to be hypocritical, if that's the only >> > way you can do it......well...maybe not OK...but perhaps understandable. >> > >> > And again, i don't think it's hypocritical to be against something, >> > but still use it if you have to. I HATE the TSA searches at the >> > airport, but >> if >> > i want to fly on a plane, i have to subject myself to them. Does >> > that >> make >> > me a hypocrite? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons >> ><[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> So to gain political points back home its OK for him to be > hypocritical. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:21 AM, GMoney <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I see that side of the argument too. >> >> > >> >> > But at some point, morality and the real world collide. if your >> >> > constituents NEED something, something as important as a medical >> >> > building.....how long do you stand by your principles, and at >> >> > what >> cost >> >> to >> >> > the people you represent? >> >> > >> >> > At some point do you say: 'This whole fucking thing SUCKS, and >> >> > I'm >> still >> >> > against it, but as of today, the only way i can help my people, >> >> > is to request funds blah blah' ?? >> >> > >> >> > I'm probably giving Ryan WAYYYYYY too much credit, and I doubt it >> >> > went >> >> down >> >> > like this. But i can see a real life scenario where this would >> >> > be....understandable, i guess. >> >> > >> >> > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson >> >> ><[email protected] >> >> >wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> I find the cupcake analogy wrong. let me try one closer to how I >> >> >> see >> it. >> >> >> >> >> >> I am a vegan. i think all that is wrong with this country and >> >> >> the world is people eating meat. >> >> >> >> >> >> I dont even want to talk to people who do. they are all bad bad >> people. >> >> >> >> >> >> what's that? you made some veal? and is that kobe beef in the > tartar? >> >> >> no, i've never tried whale meat. >> >> >> >> >> >> well, since you already made it.... >> >> >> >> >> >> The rhetoric specifically used by Ryan is a MORAL argument. >> >> >> >> >> >> So either he holds to his moral beliefs or he doesn't. To me it >> >> >> is >> that >> >> >> simple. >> >> >> >> >> >> If he had made other arguments, based on "best for the country, >> >> >> but not evil", then I could see accepting the money, but not >> >> >> based on his arguments. >> >> >> >> >> >> (and btw, I am not a vegan. although I think I may have ate one >> >> >> once) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Uh huh, and i'd like to repeal every part of the $2 billion >> stealth >> >> >> >> helicopter deal, including the cupcake...so i can get my >> >> >> >> cupcake >> >> >> somewhere >> >> >> >> else. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm not a Ryan defender, but let's just keep our heads >> >> >> >> screwed on >> >> here. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:354592 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
