I don't think so.  You have the same type of abuse ( not literally) in
the government and there is plenty of oversight.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative

And if there is no independent oversight, how many more people get
abused by
those who can hide in the hierarchy. By having an independent ombudsman
you
the potential of stopping that sort of abuse.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:15 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> 
> 
> Sure that's just what we need another bloated government program.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> 
> Because you dislike who represents you, you think that all social
> funding
> should be withdrawn? Religious groups have an extra agenda above and
> beyond
> the overt mission. It would be all to easy for a group to say, for
> instance,
> because you are from (insert disliked group here) either you repent of
> your
> evil ways or else (no food, no shelter etc). Moreover there 
> is far less
> independent oversight and control over private religious groups doing
> social
> work than what you have with  public agencies. The recent scandals in
> the
> catholic churches in the US and the church supported 
> residential schools
> in
> Canada are very good examples of why that independent oversight is
> needed.
> 
> larry
> 
> --
> Larry C. Lyons
> ColdFusion/Web Developer
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer
> EBStor.com
> 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> tel:   (703) 393-7930
> fax:   (703) 393-2659
> Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
>        http://www.pacel.com
> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> --
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:02 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > 
> > 
> > I guess this difference comes down to who we fell represents 
> > our society.  I do not think our elected officials and 
> > appointed governement employees represent our society.  
> > 
> > Russel
> > 
> > > 
> > > From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 03:54:07 EDT
> > > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > > 
> > > > Actually, my reading on Catholic Christian doctorine says 
> > it is our
> > > responsibility.  I forget the exact reference, but I think 
> > it is the Gospel
> > > of >St. John.  "What you do for the least of your brothers, 
> > you do for me."
> > > 
> > > I don't mean it that way - I mean that its our society's 
> > responsbility to
> > > take care of our society whether or not religious groups do 
> > as well.  We
> > > can't just wash our hands of the poor and expect someone 
> > else to fix the
> > > problem.
> > > 
> > > > I use the old adage "Give a man a fish and you feed him 
> > for a day. teach a
> > > man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." to guide 
> myself and my
> > > activities.  I personally feel that the way I am called to 
> > fight poverty is
> > > in line with that adage.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This does not preclude our society as a whole giving the 
> > fishing pole as
> > > opposed to religious groups.
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 

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