So we should waste tax dollars on the chance that an abuse might be
uncovered quicker, if at all? 

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:38 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative

How long though before it gets uncovered? In the public sector at least
there is a reasonable chance that abuse would be uncovered. Given the
same
type of abuse in a private closed hierarchy it is far less likely that
such
would be uncovered. 

larry

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> 
> 
> I don't think so.  You have the same type of abuse ( not literally) in
> the government and there is plenty of oversight.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:30 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> 
> And if there is no independent oversight, how many more people get
> abused by
> those who can hide in the hierarchy. By having an independent 
> ombudsman
> you
> the potential of stopping that sort of abuse.
> 
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> Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:15 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > 
> > 
> > Sure that's just what we need another bloated government program.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:09 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > 
> > Because you dislike who represents you, you think that all social
> > funding
> > should be withdrawn? Religious groups have an extra agenda above and
> > beyond
> > the overt mission. It would be all to easy for a group to say, for
> > instance,
> > because you are from (insert disliked group here) either 
> you repent of
> > your
> > evil ways or else (no food, no shelter etc). Moreover there 
> > is far less
> > independent oversight and control over private religious 
> groups doing
> > social
> > work than what you have with  public agencies. The recent 
> scandals in
> > the
> > catholic churches in the US and the church supported 
> > residential schools
> > in
> > Canada are very good examples of why that independent oversight is
> > needed.
> > 
> > larry
> > 
> > --
> > Larry C. Lyons
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> > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
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> > fax:   (703) 393-2659
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> > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > --
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:02 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I guess this difference comes down to who we fell represents 
> > > our society.  I do not think our elected officials and 
> > > appointed governement employees represent our society.  
> > > 
> > > Russel
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > From: "Beth F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 2002/06/18 Tue PM 03:54:07 EDT
> > > > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Are you Liberal or Conservative
> > > > 
> > > > > Actually, my reading on Catholic Christian doctorine says 
> > > it is our
> > > > responsibility.  I forget the exact reference, but I think 
> > > it is the Gospel
> > > > of >St. John.  "What you do for the least of your brothers, 
> > > you do for me."
> > > > 
> > > > I don't mean it that way - I mean that its our society's 
> > > responsbility to
> > > > take care of our society whether or not religious groups do 
> > > as well.  We
> > > > can't just wash our hands of the poor and expect someone 
> > > else to fix the
> > > > problem.
> > > > 
> > > > > I use the old adage "Give a man a fish and you feed him 
> > > for a day. teach a
> > > > man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." to guide 
> > myself and my
> > > > activities.  I personally feel that the way I am called to 
> > > fight poverty is
> > > > in line with that adage.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > This does not preclude our society as a whole giving the 
> > > fishing pole as
> > > > opposed to religious groups.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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