On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Vivec wrote: > I'll answer your statement with the question :
You asked more then one question. > What is the purpose of Consumer Rights legislation and laws? > Generally, protecting people from dangerous things. > At any point the consumer can simply use a different product, why do we > need rights legislation and laws? > In a free market (even free-ish), setting prices should NEVER EVER be part of these rules. > If a company gives you bad service, just go to another company. > > If the product is of poor quality, or isn't what you paid for, use a > different product. > > That should never be the only answer. > Yes we differ here. You honestly feel that it is NEVER the right answer? That every single product out there should be super-regulated to the point that they are REQUIRED to provide a quality product? The government involvement in your own business in order to make that actually happen should scare the living shit out of you. > Let's look again at Trade laws, Monopoly laws and Anti-competitive > practice laws. Again, why are these necessary? > You can look at them but they have no place in this conversation. Adobe doesn't have a monopoly. There are alternatives. Good ones. > The consumer can choose on their own. Why should the law care what > Microsoft did by bundling IE to Windows? > At the time, Microsoft did have a Monopoly. I feel like perhaps you don't use the same definition of the word "Monopoly" that I do. > Why should they care what deals Intel made with Dell...if consumers > really wanted to purchase computers with AMD chips they could have, no one > was forcing them to buy DELL computers. > Again, that's an entirely different conversation. Apples and oranges. No-one is colluding to force you to buy PhotoShop instead of the plethora of alternatives out there. > It's the same thing here. No, very clearly a whole different thing entirely. > Consumers have a right to protest, they have a right to be heard. > If a company suddenly makes a change that isn't in consumer's > interests, then consumers have a right to say they don't like it. > Ah, this we agree on. Consumers can get very very mad and stop buying the product. They can also complain all over Facebook and Twitter, then open up their window and shout obscenities in Adobe HQ's general direction. They can start petitions and form companies that they hope will one day put Adobe out of business. These are all rights that consumers should have. None of these things require the government to step in. > In my view these trade practices raise the issue of price fixing and are > possible because Adobe has a virtual monopoly on these particular markets. > Clearly, I disagree. > It's a different situation to the others, though, because afaik they gained > that virtual monopoly by just creating much better imaging software and > marketing it better than anyone else. > Again, you and I have very very different opinions on what the word "Monopoly" means. > Some may be tempted to say as a result they can treat their customers > however they please, and determine who can purchase their software and > in what countries it can be sold as much as they want. > Do you not believe that this is your choice, as a business owner? you think that the government should step in and tell you who you can sell to and what prices they should change? I don't. I bet you don't either, in reality. > Others may want to see better done, and a more egalitarian system of > pricing and distribution. And will demand it. > This didn't work out so well in the Soviet Union. I would be curious to know how your proposed governmental "Global Master Price Planning" would work exactly, and how it would not be a corrupt crappy shitstorm. I would also be curious what price they would tell you to charge for your goods and services. And sometimes, as in the case of the current pricing of Adobe Cloud > subscriptions in Australia, they win. I'm not sure if Adobe's pricing in Austrailia is a win? Not sure what you are saying here. -Cameron ... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:363453 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
